[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?

….and you don’t think gender neutral toilets accommodates opportunism

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?

So instead of throwing the key away, you want it handed to them instead?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So instead of throwing the key away, you want it handed to them instead?

He obviously does Parm

[arista]

[A teenage boy has been arrested over four allegations
of “serious sexual
assault” at the Essex school.
The Daily Telegraph understands
three of the
alleged attacks took place in lavatories
used by boys and girls.]



This is Terrible.

[Glenn.]

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

Of course she was , he wouldn't have had more that one opportunity if the girls had their own toilets, sick or not.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

you are tying yourself in knots trying to justify circumstances that make it easy for predators to attack vulnerable people. Your words are obviously not genuinely held

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

You're just saying the same thing again. "people are assaulted because people who do assaults exist and that's that" and suggesting that it means there's no need for safeguarding, that safeguarding is pointless/ineffective or doesn't statistically dramatically reduce rates of assaults.

It's not a matter of opinion, you're just demonstrably and statistically wrong.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You're just saying the same thing again. "people are assaulted because people who do assaults exist and that's that" and suggesting that it means there's no need for safeguarding, that safeguarding is pointless/ineffective or doesn't statistically dramatically reduce rates of assaults.

It's not a matter of opinion, you're just demonstrably and statistically wrong.

Cool

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Cool

Indeed, cool Glenn. Too much of an ally to give a crap about statistical assault risks for women and children, if it gets in the way of something he thinks is more important. A real cool dude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Glenn.]

Sure

[Mystic Mock]

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

The pervs would just become security guards.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The pervs would just become security guards.

That's a possibility.

But if society is pushing towards gender neutral Toilets in the future, having Security Guards there that can intervene if they start hearing screams coming from the Bathroom, is much better than having what's happened in this School in Essex.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a possibility.

But if society is pushing towards gender neutral Toilets in the future, having Security Guards there that can intervene if they start hearing screams coming from the Bathroom, is much better than having what's happened in this School in Essex.

But this is exactly why society should push back, this should never have been a thing even if what happened in essex hadnt happened. It shouldnt even be a case of what scenario is better than the other.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But this is exactly why society should push back, this should never have been a thing even if what happened in essex hadnt happened. It shouldnt even be a case of what scenario is better than the other.

Sometimes as a society you have to compromise and choose between two options that you don't like, but pick the option that you think is less bad.

Just like the next GE ironically.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

"I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common"

there is no economic sense for builders to pander to a tiny fraction of the public who change their mind every month

its never, ever going to happen

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common"

there is no economic sense for builders to pander to a tiny fraction of the public who change their mind every month

its never, ever going to happen

I don't really rule anything out from happening anymore.

After 2016 it seems like the world has become similar to Alice In Wonderland in just how unpredictable and strange we can be as a society.

Being honest a gender neutral bathroom isn't even the strangest thing that's happened over the last seven years imo.

[Glenn.]

Not interested in blaming a sexual assault purely on the fact that it was a gender neutral toilet and not the unhinged individual that committed the assault.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not interested in blaming a sexual assault purely on the fact that it was a gender neutral toilet and not the unhinged individual that committed the assault.

The whole point of safeguarding is being aware that there are unhinged individuals out there who will hurt people, and taking appropriate and sensible precautions to minimise the damage that those unhinged individuals can do.

If people weren't aware that "bad folks want to do bad things" there would be no need for any rules in the first place.

Your stance appears to be, "don't bother with precautions, they don't do anything, if these people want to assault someone they'll find a way anyway".

Which isn't just flippant and dismissive - it's statistically and scientifically verified to simply not be true. Safeguarding practices are evidence-based. It's known FOR A STATISTICAL FACT that safeguarding precautions vastly reduce the rates of attacks and assaults on vulnerable people.

Coming along and saying "Nah I don't like the outcome of that so I'm going to pretend it isn't true" just confirms that your stance is as an ideologue with a preset agenda that takes precedence over any measured facts or figures. It's increasingly obvious that you don't give a stuff about anyone who falls outside your own ideological camp, so it baffles me that you still feel entitled to support from anyone else.

[AnnieK]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that any assault carried out in a gender neutral bathroom with be committed by a trans person, or a gay person or a gender neutral person. BUT having gender neutral bathrooms means that predators of sex, gender and sexuality can walk unchecked into any bathroom where there could be vulnerable people of any gender, age, sexuality and therefore attacks are far more easily committed.

I personally have no issue with trans women who are living as females using the same bathroom as me (however I rarely use any public bathrooms or changing rooms if I can help it) and am sure there have been occasions when I have and don't even realise I have I agree there does need to be some safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable in society and that does involve some single sex places.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think anyone is suggesting that any assault carried out in a gender neutral bathroom with be committed by a trans person, or a gay person or a gender neutral person. BUT having gender neutral bathrooms means that predators of sex, gender and sexuality can walk unchecked into any bathroom where there could be vulnerable people of any gender, age, sexuality and therefore attacks are far more easily committed.

I personally have no issue with trans women who are living as females using the same bathroom as me (however I rarely use any public bathrooms or changing rooms if I can help it) and am sure there have been occasions when I have and don't even realise I have I agree there does need to be some safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable in society and that does involve some single sex places.

That’s great Annie but LT purposely posted it the thread which sole topic is transgender. It’s pretty clear what the intention was like most others on here that seem to fear trans people.

Because I can see another point of view and don’t immediately jump to the conclusion that it’s because of the gender neutral toilets I suddenly agree with sexual assault. I stand by the stance that if someone wants to assault someone they will.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they certainly should never exist in schools

[Glenn.]

Like I say the toilets in schools down this way are simply a corridor of separate cubicles and it seems to work just fine