[Niamh.]

Originally posted by Cybele
Regardless of what Freddie does or does not say and think, Lisa has a gameplan. And that is for her to do whatever it takes to save herself. She has been warned for her behavior so now she uses other people to do her dirty work for her. And she picks people who are so stupid that they don't even realize that she is using them as a lightening rod. She fills their heads full of hate and winds them up. Then she sends them out to start targeting those she hates. And who gets warned or evicted? The person she used, of course, while she sits around with clean hands. That has CLEARLY been her plan for a long time now and it has been working. That is why she is SO p****d about being up now.

She was pissed off she was up cos she knows there's a good chance she'll be evicted cos all her "gang" were. As for bitching about Bea, freddie & Marcus?? They're doing the exact same thing to her so If you're saying she has "a gameplan" then so do they!

[LemonJam]

Just wrote this in another thread and I think it's pretty relevant;

I really don't think there was enough proof that Lisa had a gameplan. She stuck with her friends and was nasty to Freddie at first, but she never made people nominate him. Everyone always agreed at the time they disliked Freddie, she never influenced them into disliking him.

However, Freddie is talking to other housemates saying that she has a gameplan, making them dislike her and henceforth, nominating her, is this not a gameplan in itself?

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by kisywisy

i disagree. bea was nominated because she's caused so much friction in the house and marcus for his rule breaking. you are forgetting that lisa was almost up for eviction as well.

what about marcus and freddie's gameplan?? they have been plotting against lisa and now david, with the help of their new team mate bea

What rule breaking? They all have broken rules at some point, particularly dogface, rodrigo and on several occasions Lisa has said she wants certain people to go home. Can't see any difference there. They have not been plotting at all, we all knew they didn't like Lisa, david was very pally with them at the start but now he has befriended Lisa, (who hates all of them) after he's seen what he's seen on TV so their discomfort with him is understandable in my eyes.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

She was p****d off she was up cos she knows there's a good chance she'll be evicted cos all her "gang" were. As for bitching about Bea, freddie & Marcus?? They're doing the exact same thing to her so If you're saying she has "a gameplan" then so do they!

If it was just about bitching, everyone in that house (and everyone on this forum) would have a gameplan. The difference is that Marcus isn't winding up Siavash to go have a bash at Lisa. Freddie isn't winding up Bea to go have a bash at Lisa. However, Lisa DOES wind people up to go have a bash at the ones she doesn't like.

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by LemonJam
Just wrote this in another thread and I think it's pretty relevant;

I really don't think there was enough proof that Lisa had a gameplan. She stuck with her friends and was nasty to Freddie at first, but she never made people nominate him. Everyone always agreed at the time they disliked Freddie, she never influenced them into disliking him.

However, Freddie is talking to other housemates saying that she has a gameplan, making them dislike her and henceforth, nominating her, is this not a gameplan in itself?

Spot on

[superbad93]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

Spot on

Fair point

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by Cybele

If it was just about bitching, everyone in that house (and everyone on this forum) would have a gameplan. The difference is that Marcus isn't winding up Siavash to go have a bash at Lisa. Freddie isn't winding up Bea to go have a bash at Lisa. However, Lisa DOES wind people up to go have a bash at the ones she doesn't like.

She was bitching cos she obviously likes to bitch!!

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

Spot on

Dogface loved freddie until she met Lisa and kris now kris is gone she likes him again. Now Lisa has something to say again she probably wont. Lisa has said so many times in the past, "I want this person to go home".

Didn't Marcus get pulled up on that this week?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lisa bitches about (in the past actually picked them out for abuse) two people every week with her cronies, then hey presto they go up, not rocket science! Its only when she lost support from some of them that they didnt vote the same. Now the troops are rallied...

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Lisa bitches about (in the past actually picked them out for abuse) two people every week with her cronies, then hey presto they go up, not rocket science! Its only when she lost support from some of them that they didnt vote the same. Now the troops are rallied...

Fair point but now the tables have turned and Freddie & Bea are trying to do the same, they have picked Lisa and David out, both nominated them and are causing arguments with them trying to make them look bad.

[HayleyLeigh]

[quote]Originally posted by kisywisy

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Lisa has been Egging david on all week about Bea and Marcus. Sophie was fine with Marcus until Lisa stuck her ore in. Just because big brother's not showing it doesn't mean it's not happening. Regardless of them not showing much of lisa, I can see it happening. David's gameplan is "stick with lisa, she's smarter than me, she can keep me in". Lisa's gameplan is, bitch behind people's back, egg people on and sit back.

right coz ur psychic? how could u possibly know if there not showing it?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

Fair point but now the tables have turned and Freddie & Bea are trying to do the same, they have picked Lisa and David out, both nominated them and are causing arguments with them trying to make them look bad.

I think they just dont like them. I cant see either Freddie or Bea picking out anyone else like that whereas Lisa has done it consistently...I can see Marcus doing it as he really is playing the game big time

[MargeryFan]

[quote]Originally posted by HayleyLeigh

Originally posted by kisywisy

right coz ur psychic? how could u possibly know if there not showing it?

Just like they haven't shown certain conversations on HL in the past that I've seen on live feed?


It's hard to believe that happens I know.

[HarryRag]

Freddie stays, sorry ahmed, kisy, elproximo...other delusional peoples too

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

I think they just dont like them. I cant see either Freddie or Bea picking out anyone else like that Lisa has done it consistently

Maybe not Freddie but I can definately see Bea doing it and then influencing Freddies opinion of them. She was targeting Noirin with all her power last week even making that M t-shirt (which btw I thought was against BB rules as it could be seen as sending a message to the outside world) and this week Lisa & David have been her firm targets. Even her friend Marcus predicted that she would be arguing with Lisa a few days ago!

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Shasown

Ok Lisa has been sticking her oar in, and turning everyone against the Three Amigos, who havent been backstabbing anyone else.

If that was Davids gameplan, its a p1ss poor one, before he came in he would have known freddie was popular and lisa was despised outside. What an excellent strategy, i will side up with the house bully and things will be great. i know he is a little dull but come on.

David is not the kind of guy to walk and chew gum at the same time. He's like Lisa and thinks the most important thing is survival. The thing is he thinks he can do that and still be friends with everyone but Lisa alienates herself from the group.

[Niamh.]

And Netto, the very first week she was there, I believe she was targeting the other Newbies by trying to make them look bad by saying she would not do the task they were given - if thats not consistent I don't know what is!!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

Maybe not Freddie but I can definately see Bea doing it and then influencing Freddies opinion of them. She was targeting Noirin with all her power last week even making that M t-shirt (which btw I thought was against BB rules as it could be seen as sending a message to the outside world) and this week Lisa & David have been her firm targets. Even her friend Marcus predicted that she would be arguing with Lisa a few days ago!

She might but I dont know who she would go for if David or lisa went, the others are too nice really, shes only gotta turn a bit of charm on with them. David and Lisa are the enemy, with them gone its fair game.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Niamhxo
And Netto, the very first week she was there, I believe she was targeting the other Newbies by trying to make them look bad by saying she would not do the task they were given - if thats not consistent I don't know what is!!

Ahh that was the sensible option though! Dont do the dirty and take the risk, I'd have done the same

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

She might but I dont know who she would go for if David or lisa went, the others are too nice really, shes only gotta turn a bit of charm on with them. David and Lisa are the enemy, with them gone its fair game.

I would guess at Sophie or Charlie after David & Lisa. Remember she & Noirin were bestest buddies and then she turned into her worst enemy in the blinking of an eye!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Ahh that was the sensible option though! Dont do the dirty and take the risk, I'd have done the same

Maybe so but I'm just trying to prove my point that so far she's been as consistent as Lisa!!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

Maybe so but I'm just trying to prove my point that so far she's been as consistent as Lisa!!

Well I agree that theyre all gameplaying to an extent, but I think Freddie and Bea have done it more cleverly and have the moral high ground for the most part. What I mean is that Lisa has just picked on weaker people who are a little bit different and bitched about them, ranted at them and generally made them feel uncomfortable. Bea and Freddie havent done that. You cant compare last night to anything Lisa has done

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Niamhxo

I would guess at Sophie or Charlie after David & Lisa. Remember she & Noirin were bestest buddies and then she turned into her worst enemy in the blinking of an eye!!!

Maybe Charlie cos he is a bit of a sneak but Sophie hasnt really got anything bad to pick out other than shes easily lead

[zukhov]

Bea and Marcus were nominated because they were the most unpopular people in the hosue. It was nothing to do with any alleged plotting or scheming on Lisa/Davids part.

Halfwit is so blinded by Bea he cannot see what a nasty piece of work she is, therefore her nomination must be a 'gameplan'.

Halfwit has a gameplan explanation for every time he was nominated and now it extends to Bea. He literally cannot belive that he is not popular with everyone. In the same way he thinks he can sing and can have any woman/man he wants. This is pretty typical of the behavious of highly privligged people.

[Niamh.]

Well I agree that theyre all gameplaying to an extent, but I think Freddie and Bea have done it more cleverly and have the moral high ground for the most part [/quote]

Freddie may have the moral high ground but not Bea, no way, she's really nasty and her insults are extremely personal and cutting which I don't like