[Vicky.]

Originally posted by moonballoon
Hi Vicky J ... I agree I was beginning to forget why I really didn't like Lisa in the first few weeks, but I think she has genuinely improved.

Some of those clips I look at now, and see how patronising Freddie must have come across to her, and it is not surprising she reacted badly.

Also, I think she has been so 'bullied' on this forum that I am inclined to be on her side just for that!

She has improved because ken told her she was hated

And because she is on her last warning for being intimidating...therefore no improvement could make me like her as now she is just being fake to avoid nominations. We saw the real her early on.

In the first clip, can you please explain how freddie could come accross as patronising? All he said was lets make it a positive goodbye...and she went off on one with that gob like the mersey...

[moonballoon]

Hmm. Yeah, ok.

[halfacrown]

These threads saying Lisa is wonderful don't come across as sincere. It's like they're trying to persuade themselves of the impossible...

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by halfacrown
These threads saying Lisa is wonderful don't come across as sincere. It's like they're trying to persuade themselves of the impossible...

I generally just assume they are joke threads.

Or multiple accounts of AhmedFan.

[BB22]

As I have said in another thread, Lisa's behaviour in the early weeks was dreadful. I mean, there is a kind of a hardcore of "fans" trying to retcon this year's Big Brother and rewrite history but I don't really feel the need to address that.

The question one needs to ask oneself is whether her character has changed, whether she has learnt some kind of life lesson, or whether it is simply the circumstances she finds herself in which have changed.

As Lisa's friends have been evicted from the House, she has become less horrid, bitched less and generally become more passive. There was also a significant turning point when she gained the impression from he new Housemates, particularly Kenneth, that she was disliked on the outside. Both these facts support the proposition that she has merely toned down her horrid behaviour due to a relative shift in the balance of the House and in order to try to stay out of the public eye and away from being nominated.

I do not think she has changed.

Unfortunately, the balance of the House appears to have shifted slightly once again and it looks like Team Nasty, who many of us believed were a spent force, are now in the ascendancy and will carry Lisa to the final. Unless something unusual happens this week we are unlikely to get another opportunity to to evict her.

[halfacrown]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I generally just assume they are joke threads.

Or multiple accounts of AhmedFan.

Soon it'll be: 'Lisa should get the Nobel Peace prize' or 'Angelina wants to date Lisa!!!!’ They're just getting more and more bizarre.

[hennessy]

What is it that Lisa has that instills trust in people?
why do people listens to her?
Is it because she's a mother figure?

[halfacrown]

Originally posted by BB22
As I have said in another thread, Lisa's behaviour in the early weeks was dreadful. I mean, there is a kind of a hardcore of "fans" trying to retcon this year's Big Brother and rewrite history but I don't really feel the need to address that.

The question one needs to ask oneself is whether her character has changed, whether she has learnt some kind of life lesson, or whether it is simply the circumstances she finds herself in which have changed.

As Lisa's friends have been evicted from the House, she has become less horrid, bitched less and generally become more passive. There was also a significant turning point when she gained the impression from he new Housemates, particularly Kenneth, that she was disliked on the outside. Both these facts support the proposition that she has merely toned down her horrid behaviour due to a relative shift in the balance of the House and in order to try to stay out of the public eye and away from being nominated.

I do not think she has changed.

Unfortunately, the balance of the House appears to have shifted slightly once again and it looks like Team Nasty, who many of us believed were a spent force, are now in the ascendancy and will carry Lisa to the final. Unless something unusual happens this week we are unlikely to get another opportunity to to evict her.

Yes it's another make or break week. It looks as though Charlie and Bea have read Lisa's survival as evidence that she is popular. Which way is Bea going to vote and are the nominations going to count?

[Esqualita]

I don't understand the "Lisa wasn't evicted so she is popular" mentality some of the HMs seem to have.
None of them that are left were evicted.

[Patricia4]

Originally posted by InOne
She is a vile chav who should be send back to the midlands asap.

get shut of her with Bea

[Tulip]

Originally posted by stickydatepudding
A little refresher for those who've forgotten Lisa's vileness:

Yep - it's always good to post this reminder - keep it up your sleeve for future use.

I'm afraid there is little Lisa can do in my book to erase the effect of this. This is how she is when she thinks she has power ... I can see it happening again if she regains this belief. It seems to be her fundamental nature.

[chlojo.]

She is vile.

[BB22]

Originally posted by Tulip

Yep - it's always good to post this reminder - keep it up your sleeve for future use.

I'm afraid there is little Lisa can do in my book to erase the effect of this. This is how she is when she thinks she has power ... I can see it happening again if she regains this belief. It seems to be her fundamental nature.

Unfortunately, Lisa's "fans" are trying to retcon the history of this year's Big Brother.

[=-Incognito-=]

Originally posted by kingmozo
People who hate lisa are foolish, totally foolish. I know that she talk about people, but its no way at the calibur of BEA/HALFWIT/more recently SIAVASH. But shes is just cool, she stayed cool all the way through tonights ep ("OOH CAUSE SHE HAS A GAME PLAN" no:/ ). Tommorow, Watch lisa tommorow, and then compare her to other HM's then tell me shes evil, calculating.

ALSO, Lisa knows exactly whats being said of her aswell, and what other HM's think about her, "Can u imagine if took the ciggerrettes?.....****in' 'Ell" She said this because she knows BEA would be first to talk behind her back about her.

Discuss.

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[Prole]

Originally posted by =-Incognito-=

This post was brought to you by the word DickSplash and the colour BBmanipulatedhighlightsgoldfishmemoryreversesnobbe ryjealousgreen.

LMAO....

[Tulip]

Originally posted by BB22

Unfortunately, Lisa's "fans" are trying to retcon the history of this year's Big Brother.

Retcon, eh? Interesting - I've learned something new. Thankyou.

[Fendertele]

They were interviewing at Woockey Hole last week, Lisa would have been perfect for the job.

[amy-jayne]

I like Lisa, yes she was a bitch in the first few weeks, but shes done nothing wrong this last week or so, other than defend herself when arguments started.