[Shasown]

Ahmedfan after all the spouting you did in the early hours of this morning about racism and then to come out with a comment like that.

Shows just how racist you personally are. If I said Sree was a poor speaker of English because it wasnt his first language you would claim me a racist.

It has often been claimed that people who like to cite racism or claim others are being racist are in fact themselves the real racists. It's a belief up until now I didnt find held much water.

I hate to say this but in your case it looks like being true.

[AhmedFan2004]

I wouldn't call you racist for it, and Sree speaks far better English than Siavash.

I can't make out what Siavash is saying most of the time, his English is terrible. And for me this provides dull, pointless nauseating viewing.

It has nothing to do with his race, anyone can have good or bad English skills, including white people.

I could say the same thing about a chav who can barely string a sentence together.

[Shasown]

And yet you cannot see the inherent racism in your statement?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
And yet you cannot see the inherent racism in your statement?

No I can't, sorry. Care to point it out? And he hasn't just moved to the UK or anything, before you play that card either. It's a conscious decision to acquire good English skills, or not.

[Shasown]

I would be wasting my time trying to explain how you used the comment about his level of English as an excuse for wanting him out. Racial bigotry isnt solely a characterististic seen in natives of the UK

Britain is a multicultural society and as such you have to accept there will be different levels of English in use be various peoples.

His level of english is his concern, if you draw inference from his standard of knowledge of the language as either his inability to attempt to integrate into British society or his lack of ability to learn new languages, then it shows your own bigotry.

[bananarama]

I don't like Siavash as a housemate......However I don't understand the comments about his English speaking ability.....His English is ok just the irritating slowness of his talking is what grinds on me....

The slowness is I believe not down to por English but instaed down to tha fact he is not the brightest of sparks and speaks slowly because he has to think harder and longer what to say that will sound remotely intelligent....

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
I would be wasting my time trying to explain how you used the comment about his level of English as an excuse for wanting him out. Racial bigotry isnt solely a characterististic seen in natives of the UK

Britain is a multicultural society and as such you have to accept there will be different levels of English in use be various peoples.

His level of english is his concern, if you draw inference from his standard of knowledge of the language as either his inability to attempt to integrate into British society or his lack of ability to learn new languages, then it shows your own bigotry.

I accept there's different levels, but he's at such a low level at times that it makes for very poor viewing. And like I said, it has nothing to do with race, because he's lived in England long enough to have learnt the language well, or not. It's his own decision, and also based on his skill. It's not an issue pertaining to his race. Most foreign people in England speak the language adequately.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by bananarama
I don't like Siavash as a housemate......However I don't understand the comments about his English speaking ability.....His English is ok just the irritating slowness of his talking is what grinds on me....

The slowness is I believe not down to por English but instaed down to tha fact he is not the brightest of sparks and speaks slowly because he has to think harder and longer what to say that will sound remotely intelligent....

Well there you go then, it's because he's a dumba*ss, it's not a racial issue, like Shasown seems to be thinking. You either bothered to learn it well, or you just simply don't have the ability.

In either case, not a racial issue, unless someone believes that some races are just dumb.

[pattiflat]

Originally posted by WAYNEEBRUM

nope,Siavash has no balls.

i think you will find he has,,ask charlie

[MissKittyFantastico]

It's pretty much a dead cert that it's going to be Marcus v Siavash this week then.

BAD news for the final week. BB should put them all up.

And AhmedFan, there are people BORN in this country who speak worse English than Siavash does, I found your comment to be quite racist actually.

[pattiflat]

they should all be up for eviction so we get to choose ,not the hms it is fairer once again bb playing into lisas hands,

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
And AhmedFan, there are people BORN in this country who speak worse English than Siavash does

Exactly, thus it's not a racial issue then, even white english people can suck at it.

It's an ability issue, and/or an issue regarding whether one has the motivation to learn the language proficiently. It's not a racial issue. It's not like certain races are pre-disposed to sucking at English.

[pattiflat]

siavash to win

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well there you go then, it's because he's a dumba*ss, it's not a racial issue, like Shasown seems to be thinking. You either bothered to learn it well, or you just simply don't have the ability.

In either case, not a racial issue, unless someone believes that some races are just dumb.

Pointless using someone else's opinion to bolster a defence for yourself. And funny old thing but some societies do believe that some races are dumb (lazy etc).

Hardly surprising really when racism and bigotry have been inbuilt into the cultures of the Indian subcontinent for hundreds of years, After all wasn't the Indian Caste System the worlds first and longest standing system of Apartheid?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Exactly, thus it's not a racial issue then, even white english people can suck at it.

It's an ability issue, and/or an issue regarding whether one has the motivation to learn the language proficiently. It's not a racial issue. It's not like certain races are pre-disposed to sucking at English.

Would you say the same thing about Charlie for example then? Or David? Because I find them harder to understand than Siavash most of the time.

Or are you doing what you accuse other FM's of doing and simply jumping on the bandwagon of hating the forums choice of HM they dislike and coming out with petty reasons to dislike them?

Lisa, David, Charlie, Sophie, they all have very poor command of the English language, but I don't see you commenting on their lack of motivation to learn and speak it properly?

[quantocks]

Originally posted by Shasown
Britain is a multicultural society and as such you have to accept there will be different levels of English in use be various peoples.

how is it racist to say you can't understand what someone is saying? if they live in England, they should at least be able to speak a real level of ENGLISH. You know? the language of the nation.

that's not racist, it's the truth.

[scot]

Originally posted by quantocks

how is it racist to say you can't understand what someone is saying? if they live in England, they should at least be able to speak a real level of ENGLISH. You know? the language of the nation.

that's not racist, it's the truth.

Siavash's english though is sound...very good. At least as good as David's.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by quantocks

how is it racist to say you can't understand what someone is saying? if they live in England, they should at least be able to speak a real level of ENGLISH. You know? the language of the nation.

that's not racist, it's the truth.

I didnt say it was racist to say you didnt understand what someone is saying, if you look back through the posts on the thread.

As for understanding Siavash, I find the way he speaks to be fully comprehensible, aside from the fact he speaks annoyingly slow as if he weighs up every word he speaks.

I said to use it as an excuse for him to be thrown out as Ahmedfan stated could be seen as being racist.

[quantocks]

get him on Iranian Big Brother. Get some more scousers in there!

[Shasown]

Originally posted by quantocks
get him on Iranian Big Brother. Get some more scousers in there!

Isnt Iranian Big Brother - Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security (their secret police)?

[oh.really]

Siavash speaks perfect English!

[GirlsAloud]

Originally posted by honeyloops

Coming from the user who wanted Hira to win.

I was about to say that. XD xxxxx

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Would you say the same thing about Charlie for example then? Or David? Because I find them harder to understand than Siavash most of the time.

To an extent, yes, but I find Siavash far worse. But at least you see now that it's an issue totally distinct and non-related to race.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown

Pointless using someone else's opinion to bolster a defence for yourself. And funny old thing but some societies do believe that some races are dumb (lazy etc).

Not pointless at all, his opinion and my opinion were very similar, they agreed with each other. It's just not a racial issue. Sorry. He might be a dumbass, or lazy to not learn it, but that's him. Not race.

[staceyxxx]

siavash is amazinng.,, love him x