[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

Would everyone be challenging him so much over the gay marriage thing? I think not. It's quite likely that people would accept that he is muslim and has his beliefs. Christians are constantly challenged and ridiculed in this country. Why can't people just accept Dave for who he is? He is not homophobic he is human and he has a right to not be touched up my mario if he doesn't want to be just like any other housemate.

Do you really give a **** anyway or is it just another reason to hate dave??

Good post!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by stonedape

People like Dave are the least of my concern in every day life. He's a very tolerant, nearly secular theist. But this is the BB House where not sharing crisps becomes a moral issue. I do think the opinion is ****, and he is up for eviction this week against 3 legends

Dave is a legend himself!

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Dave is a legend himself!

AGREED

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

Would everyone be challenging him so much over the gay marriage thing? I think not. It's quite likely that people would accept that he is muslim and has his beliefs. Christians are constantly challenged and ridiculed in this country. Why can't people just accept Dave for who he is? He is not homophobic he is human and he has a right to not be touched up my mario if he doesn't want to be just like any other housemate.

Do you really give a **** anyway or is it just another reason to hate dave??

Yes, good points! Seems to me, from numerous comments i read on these boards - that there's a lot of people hypercritical of anything that Dave does simply because of religious beliefs. It'd be great if more people could judge him - firstly as a fellow human being - then on his beliefs.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

Would everyone be challenging him so much over the gay marriage thing? I think not. It's quite likely that people would accept that he is muslim and has his beliefs. Christians are constantly challenged and ridiculed in this country. Why can't people just accept Dave for who he is? He is not homophobic he is human and he has a right to not be touched up my mario if he doesn't want to be just like any other housemate.

Do you really give a **** anyway or is it just another reason to hate dave??

That is like saying does a black midget find more discrimination with being black or short, he would most probably tell you there is more support for his race than his height.

I do not even think Dave has a problem with people thinking his is homophobic, it is the problem of him setting up self ministry and making money out of God.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Yes, good points! Seems to me, from numerous comments i read on these boards - that there's a lot of people hypercritical of anything that Dave does simply because of religious beliefs. It'd be great if more people could judge him - firstly as a fellow human being - then on his beliefs.

Good

I am judging him on promoting lies in order to achieve status for personal gain


he, a grown man with children, lies about dreams and lies about a fictitious god who seems to condone what he wants done and then damn what he does not

therefore as a human being he is a liar and a braggard

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Good

I am judging him on promoting lies in order to achieve status for personal gain


he, a grown man with children, lies about dreams and lies about a fictitious god who seems to condone what he wants done and then damn what he does not

therefore as a human being he is a liar and a braggard

I believe he genuinely believes what he says, which to me is the most important thing to remember before calling someone a liar or a con.

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by Hero1

That is like saying does a black midget find more discrimination with being black or short, he would most probably tell you there is more support for his race than his height.

I do not even think Dave has a problem with people thinking his is homophobic, it is the problem of him setting up self ministry and making money out of God.

I agree with you to an extent, I think the underlying issue is his career/faith but to be honest it would have to take an incredible actor and a man with a heart of stone to do the things that he is being accused of, and from what I have seen from him in the big brother house, he does not seem capable of such crimes.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Good

I am judging him on promoting lies in order to achieve status for personal gain


he, a grown man with children, lies about dreams and lies about a fictitious god who seems to condone what he wants done and then damn what he does not

therefore as a human being he is a liar and a braggard

You are a Christian aren't you LT - what makes your beliefs anymore valid than his? Is there only one narrow path that can be followed in order to practice said beliefs, is that set in stone? Surely it's what is in the heart - not how you go about it!

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

I believe he genuinely believes what he says, which to me is the most important thing to remember before calling someone a liar or a con.

EXACTLY. He may very well be self-deluded, but let us first get to know the person.

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Yes, good points! Seems to me, from numerous comments i read on these boards - that there's a lot of people hypercritical of anything that Dave does simply because of religious beliefs. It'd be great if more people could judge him - firstly as a fellow human being - then on his beliefs.

Cheers psychtracker, I agree completely. I don't know many people who like Dave that liked him from the very beginning. I myself was guilty of judging him somewhat when he first walked in but I realise now that he is just a genuinely nice person and I don;t believe there is reason to be suspicious of him.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

Lucifer is so much cooler than God and Jesus

God is just a grumpy pants and Jesus just a hippy

Lucifer is enlightened and loves to have sex fests

also did you know there are some people who believe Jesus and Lucifer are actually one and the same and became 2 separate people by early Christian leaders

You understand that, to believe in Lucifer, you have to believe in God? Lucifer is an invention of the Bible, so if you believe in Lucifer (who was an angel cast out by God, allegedly) you're acknowledging your belief in God.

Lucifer appears first appears in Genesis, which is the Old Testament, so it's unlikely he would have been separated by "early Christian leaders" who are strictly New Testament.

You can't form a belief system from Wikipedia and watching bad movies. Although I do acknowledge that the majority of the Bible reads like a dodgy film script.

[Beso]

homophobia is a stupid word..It gets branded about to easily..Lots of people find the idea of a man inserting his cock into another mans anus absolutely disgusting, thats not being homophobic though, you can still like the two blokes doing it.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

homophobia is a stupid word..It gets branded about to easily..Lots of people find the idea of a man inserting his cock into another mans anus absolutely disgusting, thats not being homophobic though, you can still like the two blokes doing it.

Pithy. Wonderfully, frightfully pithy and I wish I was able to put it so succinctly.
You did and so I will say 'this'.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Pithy. Wonderfully, frightfully pithy and I wish I was able to put it so succinctly.
You did and so I will say 'this'.

No point in beating about the bush (pardon the pun)

[Livia]

I'm not sure why people get so heated about what two adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. I'm sure heterosexuals get up to stuff some people might find unsavory.

[charmingmissc]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

Would everyone be challenging him so much over the gay marriage thing? I think not. It's quite likely that people would accept that he is muslim and has his beliefs. Christians are constantly challenged and ridiculed in this country. Why can't people just accept Dave for who he is? He is not homophobic he is human and he has a right to not be touched up my mario if he doesn't want to be just like any other housemate.

Do you really give a **** anyway or is it just another reason to hate dave??

very true, well said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

homophobia is a stupid word..It gets branded about to easily..Lots of people find the idea of a man inserting his cock into another mans anus absolutely disgusting, thats not being homophobic though, you can still like the two blokes doing it.

There are many things that humans do that I dislike, picking noses, eating bad food, eating in the street, men who act like women, men kissing, women who drink pints, anyone who obsesses about "fashion", people who like Eastenders

as long as it is the act you judge and not the whole person then all is well.

hating anyone is wrong.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are many things that humans do that I dislike, picking noses, eating bad food, eating in the street, men who act like women, men kissing, women who drink pints, anyone who obsesses about "fashion", people who like Eastenders

as long as it is the act you judge and not the whole person then all is well.

hating anyone is wrong.

exactly.

Unless it's mr taylor, my old english teacher, he was a ****.

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are many things that humans do that I dislike, picking noses, eating bad food, eating in the street, men who act like women, men kissing, women who drink pints, anyone who obsesses about "fashion", people who like Eastenders

as long as it is the act you judge and not the whole person then all is well.

hating anyone is wrong.

Very nicely put.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure why people get so heated about what two adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. I'm sure heterosexuals get up to stuff some people might find unsavory.

it is not that I think that is the issue it is the "lifestyle" that comes with it, the accent, the sex obsession, the hysterical attitude, the "act" that annoys people


gives the average gay a bad name

mainly found in London and in "entertainment"

think John barrowman

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by charmingmissc

very true, well said.

aww thanks!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it is not that I think that is the issue it is the "lifestyle" that comes with it, the accent, the sex obsession, the hysterical attitude, the "act" that annoys people


gives the average gay a bad name

mainly found in London and in "entertainment"

think John barrowman

Didn't you just say it's wrong to hate anyone? And what exactly is "the average gay"? You mean gays who act straight? I know plenty of heteros with a bit of a sex obsession and a hysterical attitude.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

Would everyone be challenging him so much over the gay marriage thing? I think not. It's quite likely that people would accept that he is muslim and has his beliefs. Christians are constantly challenged and ridiculed in this country. Why can't people just accept Dave for who he is? He is not homophobic he is human and he has a right to not be touched up my mario if he doesn't want to be just like any other housemate.

Do you really give a **** anyway or is it just another reason to hate dave??

Because it is popular to accuse christians about everything. In Iran, they hang homosexuals, but it guess it is OK, because "it's their culture".

[MargeryFan]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

mainly found in London and in "entertainment"

nice use of quotation.