[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

LOL .. Pot Kettle!

I haven't accused anyone of ripping off vulnerable people!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Do you know - I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could be done for libel - with all the unproven, libellous allegations made against him on this site!

Lots of assumptions, suppositions, guesswork, over-active imaginations, reading own perceptions into things - but no actual proof that the guy has done anything wrong, nevermind ripped anyone off!

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!

how does he pay his bills?

[housemate]

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!

Pot Kettle!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how does he pay his bills?

This is exactly what I mean! You don't know how he pays his bills - you just assume instead!

According to a friend of his who comes on here sometimes, and possibly something he may have said himself, he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'! Don't know the ins and outs - but the point being - none of us do!

Without facts - noone should be making such unproven, unfounded allegations - they are character assassination and potentially extremely dangerous to his 'reputation' - whatever individuals currently happen to think of that! Just comes down to personal likes and dislikes based on people's individual views, nothing more!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

This is exactly what I mean! You don't know how he pays his bills - you just assume instead!

According to a friend of his who comes on here sometimes, and possibly something he may have said himself, he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'! Don't know the ins and outs - but the point being - none of us do!

Without facts - noone should be making such unproven, unfounded allegations - they are character assassination and potentially extremely dangerous to his 'reputation' - whatever individuals currently happen to think of that! Just comes down to personal likes and dislikes based on people's individual views, nothing more!

It means how does he draw a wage?

If he is making money from his falsehoods and nonsense then someone or someones are being exploited.


"he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'!"

bingo

[billy123]

how boring this must be the tenth time you have posted this crap why have they disabled the star system it used to warn against moronic posts.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by bobnot

how boring this must be the tenth time you have posted this crap why have they disabled the star system it used to warn against moronic posts.

You have either mistaken me for someone else or you are deluded.... its the first link I've EVER posted on this forum!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by housemate

You have either mistaken me for someone else or you are deluded.... its the first link I've EVER posted on this forum!

It makes it easy to recognise the "Glory" Groupies.

[fingers]

How GOD broke the news to St. Dave that He (GOD) was going to open the BB Doors for St. Dave to spread the word!

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh the Glory

[ElProximo]

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!
The Drunk on the Lord nonsense is surely the same thing? An illusion whose sole purpose is to convince?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

What other conclusion would anyone who saw him make?


it was exploitative and dishonest

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What other conclusion would anyone who saw him make?

it was exploitative and dishonest

Conclusions, assumptions - we keep coming back to that! No actual facts!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it was exploitative and dishonest

An excellent point.

People are more likely too empathize with someone who is in a wheelchair: Exploitative

He doesn't need a bloody wheelchair: Dishonest

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

Im absolutly certain that Dave doesn't do this for kicks .. if he was collecting money on the spot or not, he clearly wanted to draw people in to his version of Faith. There isn't an organisation on Earth that survive on fresh air, the people he 'recruits' have to contribute.
Judging from his travel schedule alone (which he has mentioned dozens of times IN the house, I don;t have to assume, its clearly doing very well.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by housemate

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!
The Drunk on the Lord nonsense is surely the same thing? An illusion whose sole purpose is to convince?

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

Again - good post!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Again - good post!

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

Youtube video

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

Excellent post!

[soleila]

He's playing down the whole healing monk thing at the moment cos he knows it will make him look more accessible and give him a better chance at winning. He is the biggest FAKE in the house by a mile! Get him out!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

can anyone tell me how he earns his money and feeds his family?

[Kitten]

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

[housemate]

Originally Posted by Kitten

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?