[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by iRyan

At the end of the day, it's more Endemol that controls Big Brother than Channel 4 isn't it? It's the producers who control it. So actually, things would be the same...it's the channel that BUYS it and AIRS it.

Cuz like, I remember when this show in America called The Simple Life switched from Fox to E!, it wasn't really any different just slightly more updated. So just because a show switches channels, doesnt mean anything.

Endemol produce and execute the show, Channel 4 air it and fund it. They decided when it airs, how many weeks of it they want, they commission the spin offs and they're in charge of recruiting presenters. They decide how much money is put into the production budget.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Endemol produce and execute the show, Channel 4 air it and fund it. They decided when it airs, how many weeks of it they want, they commission the spin offs and they're in charge of recruiting presenters. They decide how much money is put into the production budget.

So technically then, the only thing that would change is the budget and the presenters really. We'd still have all of the same creative minds who create the tasks, the casting directors, etc.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by iRyan

So technically then, the only thing that would change is the budget and the presenters really. We'd still have all of the same creative minds who create the tasks, the casting directors, etc.

Not if Five don't provide a budget large enough to pay all of those for 11 to 13 weeks which is very unlikely. Plus as Channel 4 commissioned the spin offs, Five wouldn't be allowed to air BBLB and Big Mouth as they're C4 originals. That's not stopping them from broadcasting a near identical show under a different name though.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

The BB house is not gone in fact Endemol just submitted an application for a new contract for the site the house and studio is on.

There's no saying that the spin offs are gone either, they could fit in very well on Five' equivalent to E4, Fiver. Marcus Bentley has also said he would continue to narrate it if it moved to another channel. Plus Emma Willis has a history with Five so I could see her being involved in a reboot.

I know you're right and what you are saying and it is possible many people now involved with BB could still be involved,
and,
Its entirely possible new producers may very well keep some of the same formulas like a 'BBLB' or having a 'Davina' who presents,
but,
Too many people are just looking at this like BB (as we know it) will just carry on to BB12.
They are asking if the changes will be things like whether or not Keith Lemon will still appear?
I wonder if Davina will still be there?

Well we are talking about what can be a completely different program, house, presentation, formats, look, feel, production altogether.
We are talking about entirely different people.
EVEN IF Endemol did keep the current house (the actual physical house) this may be something completely different.
Unrecognizable.

To put it this way:
We could find out that there is a 'new BB' coming 2 Summers from now.
We turn on and find it is not even near London.
It may be called 'Endemol's Big Brother: Season ONE'.
There is no 'Davina Presenter' at all.
There is no such thing as 'BBLB'.
There are NO live-crowds or audiences.
No 'opening theme' at all.
People you have never seen before are on a panel and a screen behind them is live.
You see nearly none of the 'carnival theme' or those classic decors. Maybe there is no garden as you know it.
Is this a documentary?
You feel like your watching some weird documentary because none of this 'feels' like BB you used to watch.
You don't even get the familiar narrator "David.. is in the garden with.."
The program is 2 hours long and goes back and forth between the panel, highlights reviewed and live-commentary...

I guess I'm just trying to communicate the idea that a future BB may NOT look ANYTHING like you think.
A completely different 'entity' altogether.

I'm just afraid too many are just expecting BB12 next Summer thinking maybe its a question of whether or not George Lamb gets a new co-host.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I know you're right and what you are saying and it is possible many people now involved with BB could still be involved,
and,
Its entirely possible new producers may very well keep some of the same formulas like a 'BBLB' or having a 'Davina' who presents,
but,
Too many people are just looking at this like BB (as we know it) will just carry on to BB12.
They are asking if the changes will be things like whether or not Keith Lemon will still appear?
I wonder if Davina will still be there?

Well we are talking about what can be a completely different program, house, presentation, formats, look, feel, production altogether.
We are talking about entirely different people.
EVEN IF Endemol did keep the current house (the actual physical house) this may be something completely different.
Unrecognizable.

To put it this way:
We could find out that there is a 'new BB' coming 2 Summers from now.
We turn on and find it is not even near London.
It may be called 'Endemol's Big Brother: Season ONE'.
There is no 'Davina Presenter' at all.
There is no such thing as 'BBLB'.
There are NO live-crowds or audiences.
No 'opening theme' at all.
People you have never seen before are on a panel and a screen behind them is live.
You see nearly none of the 'carnival theme' or those classic decors. Maybe there is no garden as you know it.
Is this a documentary?
You feel like your watching some weird documentary because none of this 'feels' like BB you used to watch.
You don't even get the familiar narrator "David.. is in the garden with.."
The program is 2 hours long and goes back and forth between the panel, highlights reviewed and live-commentary...

I guess I'm just trying to communicate the idea that a future BB may NOT look ANYTHING like you think.
A completely different 'entity' altogether.

I'm just afraid too many are just expecting BB12 next Summer thinking maybe its a question of whether or not George Lamb gets a new co-host.

This is the exact thing that bothers me, though I see the chances of this happening more likely if it came back in five - ten years time, or even further into the next generation. And to be honest I don't think I could watch, it'd ruin a childhood memory for me.

[BBGermany]

take a year or 2 off and go back to how it once was. Back to basics. Back to how IMO when it was a sociological experiment. Not a platform to get your 15min. I dont mind new housemates but theres no need to chuck say 2 out one week and throw another 3 in the next. Only new HMs when people walk/get ejected.. I guess i wouldnt mind new HMs either way but only like one time within the 3months or so. Chuck in 2 or 3 of them.

* I actually wouldnt mind if they did come back and go back to how it was in the first series. I re-watched series 1 during the first month of this series & enjoyed it more.

[ElProximo]

I want to say - I wish it was a completely new look and feel and went 'back to the future' by returning to its original 'socio-psychological experiment' and something that was again for adults too,
but,
My guess?

Probably does look like just a new version of the same thing with more of a 'Jerry Springer' thing going on.
A UK version of the USA version with BB10 but even more outrageous, juvenile and featuring more romances, fights.
Some 'knock-off' versions of BBLB and their 'Davina replacement' and the same sorts of format, routines, standards.
Ugh.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I know you're right and what you are saying and it is possible many people now involved with BB could still be involved,
and,
Its entirely possible new producers may very well keep some of the same formulas like a 'BBLB' or having a 'Davina' who presents,
but,
Too many people are just looking at this like BB (as we know it) will just carry on to BB12.
They are asking if the changes will be things like whether or not Keith Lemon will still appear?
I wonder if Davina will still be there?

Well we are talking about what can be a completely different program, house, presentation, formats, look, feel, production altogether.
We are talking about entirely different people.
EVEN IF Endemol did keep the current house (the actual physical house) this may be something completely different.
Unrecognizable.

To put it this way:
We could find out that there is a 'new BB' coming 2 Summers from now.
We turn on and find it is not even near London.
It may be called 'Endemol's Big Brother: Season ONE'.
There is no 'Davina Presenter' at all.
There is no such thing as 'BBLB'.
There are NO live-crowds or audiences.
No 'opening theme' at all.
People you have never seen before are on a panel and a screen behind them is live.
You see nearly none of the 'carnival theme' or those classic decors. Maybe there is no garden as you know it.
Is this a documentary?
You feel like your watching some weird documentary because none of this 'feels' like BB you used to watch.
You don't even get the familiar narrator "David.. is in the garden with.."
The program is 2 hours long and goes back and forth between the panel, highlights reviewed and live-commentary...

I guess I'm just trying to communicate the idea that a future BB may NOT look ANYTHING like you think.
A completely different 'entity' altogether.

I'm just afraid too many are just expecting BB12 next Summer thinking maybe its a question of whether or not George Lamb gets a new co-host.

Well of course all of that COULD happen, but it's not exactly likely. Five aren't exactly known for their innovation, I can't see them drastically changing the show. Marcus Bentley said he would go to a new channel and I can't see them not asking him. I don't see what it matters if it's a drastically different house, it didn't hurt the show even slightly when the house moved location for BB3. No channel is going to commission a 2 hour show. Why the hell would there be no opening titles, that's just standard for ANY SHOW.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Well of course all of that COULD happen, but it's not exactly likely. Five aren't exactly known for their innovation, I can't see them drastically changing the show. Marcus Bentley said he would go to a new channel and I can't see them not asking him. I don't see what it matters if it's a drastically different house, it didn't hurt the show even slightly when the house moved location for BB3. No channel is going to commission a 2 hour show. Why the hell would there be no opening titles, that's just standard for ANY SHOW.

I actually do believe (and I wish Im proven wrong) it will look far too much like a 'knock-off' series and will keep almost everything 'as close' as it can. I hope I'm wrong.

Having said that I still sense you are expecting just another season of BB as we know it. Same openings, same format,
Maybe someone replaced Davina,
The house will still be the same BB house with just different designer this time (as usual).

I'd just encourage you to expect something very different. It will be 'BB1' and not 'BB12'.
My scenario was not so much a 'prediction' but was communicating the idea that you may turn on the telly and see something...
.... something that is not just 'changes' to an already existing program.
Not just a 'version'.
But something you don't even recognize with entirely different people in different time slots, in different set-ups.
Maybe there is no presenter outside the house. It opens in a studio. There is no 'Davina'.
Instead its a panel.
They don't 'throw to highlight clips' and back to a crowd. Maybe it opens with a panel reviewing recordings from the previous day.
Stop.
They discuss it.
30 minutes in they go live to the inside. Each it picking cameras.
The house is not just 'redecorated'.
In fact it looks more like a warehouse.
There are no more 'comedy tasks' but instead tasks are quite serious projects like having them decorate the house.

All of this is trying to communicate the idea you may be seeing some completely different program.
Not a 'revamped version of C4's BB' where we discuss if we like the 'New Eye Logo',
or,
Discuss whether George Lamb is doing a good job replacing Davina.

btw.. I am a huge fan of Marcus Bentley. As other said - I cannot even IMAGINE BB without his voice. A friend of mine literally becomes giddy and sleepy (like a baby) the very first time Marcus speaks on Day One heh,
but,
the obvious problem is that Marcus speaking tells the viewer we are still watching C4's Big Brother series.
I don't see that happening.

In fact the next generation BB may not even have ANY specific narrator at all.
The 'narrators' may be the panel at a desk and the moderator describing what is being seen and reviewed.
We may hear several voices speaking as if watching a football game with commentators.

In fact, I actually do think it will be something far closer to a 'knock-off' version of C4's product. (again, i hope they prove me wrong),
but,
once again I'm just communicating ideas that some here need to brace themselves for.
It may not look anything like what you have been watching. Not like it, not scheduled, timed like it, not the same look and feel at all,
different cameras at different angles with different voices in different studio formats etc etc etc.

Also, none of this goes to the whole question of whether or not it will actually be done at all heh.

[cub]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Some guy who looks at BB relationships on BBLB who's worked for BB since BB1 said BB11 isn't the last BB when George asked if this BB was the last BB.

He also predicted Mario was going this week. Do you believe that as well?

[eye sea]

Originally Posted by iRyan

I think Five would put more time and effort into BB then Channel 4 have recently anyway.

I think you're right. I think Channel 5 will change the show so much, it will be mostly unrecognisable, but still enjoyable. I think the main thing they will change will be the house set-up. I also think laying around on beds all day WON'T BE AN OPTION. I think a revamped show will be more active and interactive.

[Kore]

Originally Posted by iRyan

At the end of the day, it's more Endemol that controls Big Brother than Channel 4 isn't it? It's the producers who control it. So actually, things would be the same...it's the channel that BUYS it and AIRS it.

Cuz like, I remember when this show in America called The Simple Life switched from Fox to E!, it wasn't really any different just slightly more updated. So just because a show switches channels, doesnt mean anything.

Im hoping they take it to channel 5, and then make it the same format as BB USA!

[walter]

I don't think it will be n at all next year but the year after it may come on if channel 5 take it. As much as everyone complains about BB I reckon the day channel 5 get it everyone will whine and cry about how they miss davina and bblb and this and that.