[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Did you agree at the boot camp stage that 2 females, who broke down in tears, couldn't perform in front of 2 people, and could not sign - that they should have been chosen over those who were able to perform, and perform well?

That was ridiculous. What annoyed me more, was that cher REFUSED to try again. And just walked off blubbing. yet was STILL given a pass to the live shows. Pathetic choices from cheryl...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He created the show,no Simon no XFactor,imo.the idea imo is a bit spiteful.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

That was ridiculous. What annoyed me more, was that cher REFUSED to try again. And just walked off blubbing. yet was STILL given a pass to the live shows. Pathetic choices from cheryl...

yep, I cant recall her precise words but it was a very dismissive, waving hand at Cheryl with the words, "No, I'm done with this".

It wasn't a 'pass' she should've been given, but a good slap !!

[Z]

Well contrary to people who think Wagner winning wouldn't piss Simon off because he's getting money at the end of the day - I think it would piss him off enormously. He's lumped with a guy who can't sing under a Ł1million recording contract for a minimum of a year I believe; he has to do SOMETHING with him and he knows that the public wouldn't care beyond Wagner winning, so he'd be massively out of pocket there; then he has to deal with the seriously undermining that Wagner winning would cause on the show. I agree with GiRTh, it's an absolute farce that someone like Treyc who can sing so very well is, by all of us, being written off because she's not been portrayed as a potential pop star. The whole show is a joke, the only people trying to battle through it are Dannii Minogue and the contestants. Let Wagner carry on as far as he can go - at least he represents the original idea behind the X Factor, that anyone off the street can walk in, audition and do well.

[Vicky.]

On the one hand, I can see why people are doing this. the blatant manipulation is just beyond a joke now, its always been there, but this year it is more in your face...and it would be hilarious to see Simons face being lumbered with someone who cannot sing at all and having to give him a recording contract

On the other hand, its very spiteful towards the better singers in the competition. It is not their fault...and they should be given a chance to achieve their dreams.

But, to be honest, most of the talented people will get some form of deal anyways...

I'm a bit torn :/

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On the one hand, I can see why people are doing this. the blatant manipulation is just beyond a joke now, its always been there, but this year it is more in your face...and it would be hilarious to see Simons face being lumbered with someone who cannot sing at all and having to give him a recording contract

On the other hand, its very spiteful towards the better singers in the competition. It is not their fault...and they should be given a chance to achieve their dreams.

But, to be honest, most of the talented people will get some form of deal anyways...

I'm a bit torn :/

I agree, but the number of fantastic singers we've seen on the show that have finished lower than 4th place is surely well into the double figures, yet none of them have gone on to be successful. I think Jedward and Chico (both considered as joke acts) are probably the most successful in terms of acts that got nowhere near the final but sold well in the charts for a period of time. Wagner is just one guy, if he made the top 5 at the expense of, say Matt, then clearly Matt didn't have the popularity to sustain a career, and any attempt he made at a solo career would reflect that. I see Wagner as the benchmark for success basically, if you go out before Wagner then you aren't going to make it in the music business.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

I agree, but the number of fantastic singers we've seen on the show that have finished lower than 4th place is surely well into the double figures, yet none of them have gone on to be successful. I think Jedward and Chico (both considered as joke acts) are probably the most successful in terms of acts that got nowhere near the final but sold well in the charts for a period of time. Wagner is just one guy, if he made the top 5 at the expense of, say Matt, then clearly Matt didn't have the popularity to sustain a career, and any attempt he made at a solo career would reflect that. I see Wagner as the benchmark for success basically, if you go out before Wagner then you aren't going to make it in the music business.

Yeah I guess so.

Then again, if this campaign to get him to win is successful, then that means noone else will make it in the music business

I didnt realise chico had done anything in the charts either...god I loved him

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I guess so.

Then again, if this campaign to get him to win is successful, then that means noone else will make it in the music business

I didnt realise chico had done anything in the charts either...god I loved him

And Simon's merry-go-round of shoving people down our throats will be abruptly stopped!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

And Simon's merry-go-round of shoving people down our throats will be abruptly stopped!

Maybe not, they might just up the campaign to get their chosen winner next year.

And simon might end up having more say in who actually gets through :/

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zee

I see Wagner as the benchmark for success basically, if you go out before Wagner then you aren't going to make it in the music business.

PMSL.

What I really like about this observation is that it is not only amusing, it's very true !!!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On the one hand, I can see why people are doing this. the blatant manipulation is just beyond a joke now, its always been there, but this year it is more in your face...and it would be hilarious to see Simons face being lumbered with someone who cannot sing at all and having to give him a recording contract

On the other hand, its very spiteful towards the better singers in the competition. It is not their fault...and they should be given a chance to achieve their dreams.

But, to be honest, most of the talented people will get some form of deal anyways...

I'm a bit torn :/

I agree Vicky. You're right to be torn and I too feel sorry for these contestants, but the show needs to change its direction. The public need to show Simon that he should concentrate on giving them the best show he can and not the show he wants with the acts he likes getting preferential treatment.

[Vicky.]

LOL. I can see the result of this being that next year...they change the public vote. The judges pick who is in the bottom, and the public have to vote from those people

Well why not manipulate it a little bit more...

[Legend killer]

Totally agree OP would love to see Chavryl and Cowell's smug faces to be wiped off

[Jamietwo]

I do like an upset, it would be quite amusing if he won, and anyway the real talent in the show would still get there record deals etc.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

But only to totally piss off Cowell and Cole.

the show is a sham now. Anyone with any talent will get a deal - that's a given, so the winning place really means nothing anymore.

For that reason: I want Wagner to win - I love watching C & C's faces every week that Wagner is announced to have made it through to the next week. Retribution at it's finest. You have to love it!!

I agree. Katie stayed tonight because she has like ability factor and is interesting character right? Well so is Vagner. Go on Vagner. Animo!!! True representation of xfactor.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I agree. Katie stayed tonight because she has like ability factor and is interesting character right? Well so is Vagner. Go on Vagner. Animo!!! True representation of xfactor.

I don't think Katie has the likeability factor, I really don't. I see nothing about her that I can consider a redeeming quality.

I said a few moments ago on another thread ..... the judges chose to have Wagner as a contestant, they made that choice, not the public.

Let them reap what they sow.

[_Seth]

I want Wagner to win. And I'm being serious.

*runs*

[Mr XcX]

Ann and Wagner all the way!!!!