[Tom4784]

The Kinect is just a cheap repeat of Nintendo's mistakes but without the good games. It's all cheap budget titles and casual games. I can't see how you can hate the Wii but like the Kinect as it's just a fancier Wii without the good games library. Nothing but casual games on it.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Niall

I don't think Nintendo will learn, I think they think they can keep selling family games and making a living from that but they need to wake up and realise that versatility and enabling your product to be able to appeal to multiple markets is the key to success.

Who knows though. This console might just be all of those things.

I agree, they won't learn.

Family games are good and all, and the thing is the Wii has some decent titles for all ages and both genders, with more fun controls, but if Nintendo had decent online features, I reckon they could do better than Sony or Microsoft with games like COD. I'd much rather be standing up and using a remote as a gun and stuff than sitting down using a controller. But no one will bother unless they stop focusing on just casual gamers, which is what they seem to do.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Kinect is just a cheap repeat of Nintendo's mistakes but without the good games. It's all cheap budget titles and casual games. I can't see how you can hate the Wii but like the Kinect as it's just a fancier Wii without the good games library. Nothing but casual games on it.

EyeToy was more fun than Kinect imo, but Sony did nothing with it in the end and just focused on their crappy PS Move.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Kinect is just a cheap repeat of Nintendo's mistakes but without the good games. It's all cheap budget titles and casual games. I can't see how you can hate the Wii but like the Kinect as it's just a fancier Wii without the good games library. Nothing but casual games on it.

The thing is about Kinect though is you can't cheat at it. It forces you to actually use your whole body. With the Wii however, you can just sit on your couch and flap your wrist and win the whole game. Kinect may not have many standout games at the moment but thats sure to change when you realise the impact its had. Its been a huge cash cow for Microsoft and has sold like hotcakes for them. At E3 you'll probably see developers tapping into Kinect a lot more.

When I've played my Kinect with people that haven't used it before though, nearly all for them comment on how much better it is than the Wii. I wanted it for Dance Central alone.

Originally Posted by Doogle

I agree, they won't learn.

Family games are good and all, and the thing is the Wii has some decent titles for all ages and both genders, with more fun controls, but if Nintendo had decent online features, I reckon they could do better than Sony or Microsoft with games like COD. I'd much rather be standing up and using a remote as a gun and stuff than sitting down using a controller. But no one will bother unless they stop focusing on just casual gamers, which is what they seem to do.

Yeah. I'd love to see them having a good shooter on the new Wii and seeing a decent port of CoD involving the new technologies they're adding.

[Tom4784]

I think Nintendo have learned from their mistakes, look at the 3DS. I can name more proper games for it then casual ones and it's got a lot of third party support from respected developers and franchises, It had a bad launch but the upcoming games will make up for it I think.

The problem with the Wii is that they didn't push the mountains of quality games they had for it enough so all the good companies abandoned it so now there's only Nintendo's own games and the odd good third party game to look forward to. Nintendo needs to support third party developers as it'll be them that'll attract the true gamers back to this console.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Niall

The thing is about Kinect though is you can't cheat at it. It forces you to actually use your whole body. With the Wii however, you can just sit on your couch and flap your wrist and win the whole game. Kinect may not have many standout games at the moment but thats sure to change when you realise the impact its had. Its been a huge cash cow for Microsoft and has sold like hotcakes for them. At E3 you'll probably see developers tapping into Kinect a lot more.

When I've played my Kinect with people that haven't used it before though, nearly all for them comment on how much better it is than the Wii. I wanted it for Dance Central alone.



Yeah. I'd love to see them having a good shooter on the new Wii and seeing a decent port of CoD involving the new technologies they're adding.

The Kinect is impressive. I played it at a youth lounge on its opening day (it's now overrun with chavs and Slovankian people, but that's not the point) with my friend and I was blown away. That friend even bought an XBox just for Kinect (stupid thing to do tbh) and he says it's amazing. He wants some crappy animal game on Kinect. Technology is wasted on him. He also got Lips. I worry about him.


And yeah it'd be brilliant to have a proper interactive shooter.

[Scarlett.]

The Kinect looks to have some actual hardcore support coming up too, the new Ghost Recon has it, Metal Gear Solid Rising would be AMAZING with Kinect

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Kinect is just a cheap repeat of Nintendo's mistakes but without the good games. It's all cheap budget titles and casual games. I can't see how you can hate the Wii but like the Kinect as it's just a fancier Wii without the good games library. Nothing but casual games on it.

I didn't say I liked Kinect though. So far it is just a casual fappers paradise but then the device happens to be hooked up to this console it requires that has a massive catalogue of excellent games for virtually everyone.

Microsoft are covering all the angles. And I completely trust them to push hardcore - I hate using that term - I completely trust them to push games on it if it continues to sell. They know where their bread is buttered.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think Nintendo have learned from their mistakes, look at the 3DS. I can name more proper games for it then casual ones and it's got a lot of third party support from respected developers and franchises, It had a bad launch but the upcoming games will make up for it I think.

The problem with the Wii is that they didn't push the mountains of quality games they had for it enough so all the good companies abandoned it so now there's only Nintendo's own games and the odd good third party game to look forward to. Nintendo needs to support third party developers as it'll be them that'll attract the true gamers back to this console.

True, the 3DS has many games made by third party developers but they're not that good at the moment. Nintendo are taking their time with the big names for 3DS, which is a shame. I wouldn't mind about the third party games if they were really good, but at the moment I don't think they're anything special.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niall

The thing is about Kinect though is you can't cheat at it. It forces you to actually use your whole body. With the Wii however, you can just sit on your couch and flap your wrist and win the whole game. Kinect may not have many standout games at the moment but thats sure to change when you realise the impact its had. Its been a huge cash cow for Microsoft and has sold like hotcakes for them. At E3 you'll probably see developers tapping into Kinect a lot more.

When I've played my Kinect with people that haven't used it before though, nearly all for them comment on how much better it is than the Wii. I wanted it for Dance Central alone.



Yeah. I'd love to see them having a good shooter on the new Wii and seeing a decent port of CoD involving the new technologies they're adding.

The Kinect will become a graveyard just like the Wii has recently. Why bother pushing proper games when you have a bunch of idiots willing to buy cheap to produce dance games and Exercise Sims? Microsoft have been completely idiotic with their handling of the Kinect from the start and it's too late to save it now as it's core audience is the same casual one that ended up turning the Wii into a desert. At least the Wii has a very sizable library of good games to boast about, I can't think of any true games for the Kinect.

It's a doomed product that'll die out sooner rather then later.

[Scarlett.]

Apparently Project Cafe has a touch screen controller....that wont be awkward to use....

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Doogle

The Kinect is impressive. I played it at a youth lounge on its opening day (it's now overrun with chavs and Slovankian people, but that's not the point) with my friend and I was blown away. That friend even bought an XBox just for Kinect (stupid thing to do tbh) and he says it's amazing. He wants some crappy animal game on Kinect. Technology is wasted on him. He also got Lips. I worry about him.


And yeah it'd be brilliant to have a proper interactive shooter.

I bought my Xbox just for the Kinect. And I want that game he wants - Kinectimals. But yeah it totally blew me away when I booted it up and used it for the first time. Its so intuitive and barking orders at it so fun. I had my mates round for a sleepover and we were al yelling at it to do stuff to see if it would recognise our voices and 90% of the time it would. xD

Originally Posted by Chewy

The Kinect looks to have some actual hardcore support coming up too, the new Ghost Recon has it, Metal Gear Solid Rising would be AMAZING with Kinect

Omg.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Apparently Project Cafe has a touch screen controller....that wont be awkward to use....

I doubt it'll be something that's mandatory in all games, A lot of DS games used it well enough as a menu or a map screen. It's not going to be something that'll detract from it I think.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Niall

I bought my Xbox just for the Kinect. And I want that game he wants - Kinectimals. But yeah it totally blew me away when I booted it up and used it for the first time. Its so intuitive and barking orders at it so fun. I had my mates round for a sleepover and we were al yelling at it to do stuff to see if it would recognise our voices and 90% of the time it would. xD



Omg.

Hahaha ah well, each to their own. I just personally wouldn't get it and then pay more for Kinect. It's like getting a Wii for Wii Fit tbh. Haha. That's clever. If I had an Xbox I'd get a Kinect but I asked for a PS3 last year so I'm fine with that.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Apparently Project Cafe has a touch screen controller....that wont be awkward to use....

It'll just be for such revolutionary features as displaying an ammo counter.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Kinect will become a graveyard just like the Wii has recently. Why bother pushing proper games when you have a bunch of idiots willing to buy cheap to produce dance games and Exercise Sims? Microsoft have been completely idiotic with their handling of the Kinect from the start and it's too late to save it now as it's core audience is the same casual one that ended up turning the Wii into a desert. At least the Wii has a very sizable library of good games to boast about, I can't think of any true games for the Kinect.

It's a doomed product that'll die out sooner rather then later.

Its only been out for a little while. We'll see what happens at E3.

Originally Posted by Chewy

Apparently Project Cafe has a touch screen controller....that wont be awkward to use....

Pmsl I was thinking this. It depends on the size of the touchscreen though tbf. It might not be that awkward to use.

[Tom4784]

I'd say give the touch screen a chance, it worked best on the DS when it wasn't overdone so I think it's got every chance of working here since Nintendo's had a good 6-7 years to perfect it. I imagine in games like Silent Hill and such it would be used for puzzles and such. I'm guessing it'll just be a small feature and not the main USP of the console.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niall

Its only been out for a little while. We'll see what happens at E3.

It's too late, it's been out for what, a year now? All it's got at the moment is high hardware sales, exactly the same as the Wii, IIRC the game sales haven't been impressive at all because like we saw on the Wii, the casual audiences doesn't buy many games. You'll only get a few big hits out of the casual audience in comparison to games aimed at actual gamers and that'll scare off the major third party developers as their high cost games won't be able to outshine the cheap likes of Louise Redknapp's Exercise: Heavy Metal Yoga Edition or Fairground games #455434. Microsoft have repeated Nintendo's mistakes letter for letter and it was evident since they first revealed it.

The Playstation Move has done a much better job really at finding a middle ground, it's sold decently well and they haven't saturated their own market with cheap crap to sustain it.