[Me. I Am Salman]

agree with Cherie

[Nedusa]

Alcohol addition is probably the worst addition to have even though most people think heroin is more dangerous . But addiction to alcohol is almost impossible to break as the drug occupies legally every area of our lives. It is seamlessly entangled with all our perceived notions of celebrating and partying. It is also a very dangerous drug as earlier posts in this thread have explained, but taken together with all the psychological problems of withdrawal it is easy to see how alcoholics are never completely cured and are always only one drink away from total relapse.

We sat and watched in the 90's as Paul Gascoigne started celebrating with a drink a little too often and today we see the end result as he battles for life.

I wish him well and hope he can get clean and find a life away from the booze, such a shame as was the best footballer of his generation by a long way.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Alcohol addition is probably the worst addition to have even though most people think heroin is more dangerous . But addiction to alcohol is almost impossible to break as the drug occupies legally every area of our lives. It is seamlessly entangled with all our perceived notions of celebrating and partying. It is also a very dangerous drug as earlier posts in this thread have explained, but taken together with all the psychological problems of withdrawal it is easy to see how alcoholics are never completely cured and are always only one drink away from total relapse.

We sat and watched in the 90's as Paul Gascoigne started celebrating with a drink a little too often and today we see the end result as he battles for life.

I wish him well and hope he can get clean and find a life away from the booze, such a shame as was the best footballer of his generation by a long way.

I agree with this. well put.

[Kizzy]

Cheers joey It is really really difficult though as said it is so deeply entrenched in British culture now more than ever.
Threre's no way of getting away from it haha, having not drank for a couple of months i've noticed more how every single social event is based around alcohol.
And if you don't drink you are treated like some kind of killjoy

[Lee.]

My dad died of alcoholism, and I'm pretty sure if it was an easy illness to beat he would have chosen to be part of a loving family and to be see his daughters growing up, but he obviously couldn't. I know a lot of people can and do stop drinking, but I suppose there are stronger folk and there are weaker too. It is a physical addiction rather than a mental one therfore very difficult to just stop suddenly.

I really hope Gazza get well and has some sort of sober life. Like my dad, he's probably not a bad person, just a slave to the demon drink.

[AnnieK]

Sorry for your loss Lee...it must be heartbreaking watching some you love slip away. I agree though addiction and recovery varies massively from person to person and I don't think anyone who hasn't been addicted could ever understand that (and hopefully never will). I find it hard to agree with people believing that an addict has had enough chances but that is personal opinion and I respect it. I just believe that where there's life there's hope. It is a long road that Gazza faces but you never know he may just get there.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Sorry for your loss Lee...it must be heartbreaking watching some you love slip away. I agree though addiction and recovery varies massively from person to person and I don't think anyone who hasn't been addicted could ever understand that (and hopefully never will). I find it hard to agree with people believing that an addict has had enough chances but that is personal opinion and I respect it. I just believe that where there's life there's hope. It is a long road that Gazza faces but you never know he may just get there.

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

I agree although I don't really understand why you have chosen that analogy in direct response to my quote. My life has been touched by both illnesses and would say that one family member I lost to cancer was down to an addiction so they became inextricably linked.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

True.. but having the strength to make that choice is the difficult part.


And thanks Annie and Kizzy

[bbfan1991]

It is a shame, although no-one can really help Paul Gascoigne unless he himself wants the help to try and turn this around before he causes his own death on this destructive path.

[Claymores]

I have no forgiveness or sorrow for him after his open attempt to stir sectarian hatred:



That should have been a staight red card but the referee was probably in the Orange Order too.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

umm, that sentence doesn't even make sense. People don't choose to have an addiction, just like people don't choose to have cancer, so what are you talking about? Why would someone choose to have an addiction or cancer. neither one are a choice.

-Both are diseases

-Both have environmental and hereditary components

-Cancer can trigger Addiction (lots of people receive pain medication when undergoing cancer treatments become addicted to the pain meds)

-Addiction can trigger Cancer (lung cancer, bowl cancer, liver cancer, esophageal cancer are all triggered by substance abuse)



Actually addiction and cancer are very similar, so your post is kind of silly. no offense. They are both very deadly diseases, and you can't "choose" to get eigther one. Obviously no one would choose it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, that sentence doesn't even make sense. People don't choose to have an addiction, just like people don't choose to have cancer, so what are you talking about? Why would someone choose to have an addiction or cancer. neither one are a choice.

-Both are diseases

-Both have environmental and hereditary components

-Cancer can trigger Addiction (lots of people receive pain medication when undergoing cancer treatments become addicted to the pain meds)

-Addiction can trigger Cancer (lung cancer, bowl cancer, liver cancer, esophageal cancer are all triggered by substance abuse)




Actually addiction and cancer are very similar, so your post is kind of silly. no offense. They are both very deadly diseases.

Stop saying people are silly...
It's not that silly I see the point, even though I know that every addiction is unique to the person experiencing it. There is 99/100 a way back from an addiction if you have the correct support. Certain cancers once established though are unstoppable (for the moment).

I understand the inherant componant but not the environmental?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Stop saying people are silly...
It's not that silly I see the point, even though I know that every addiction is unique to the person experiencing it. There is 99/100 a way back from an addiction if you have the correct support. Certain cancers once established though are unstoppable (for the moment).

I understand the inherant componant but not the environmental?

Umm, actually the vast majority of cancers are survivable Kizzy, i don't know the exact statistics about which is more deadly, cancer or addiction, but i don't think Addiction is as survivable as you think.

But it would be interesting to see the numbers.

And i apologize for using the word silly, now that i read it back, i realize it was patronizing and disrespectful to say.

[Marcus.]

get well so gazza

[Kizzy]

I don't see any judging going on... One or two have pointed out very relevant facts , by his own admission in various biographies he has had many periods of sobriety.
If I were to choose to sit in judgement I could peruse the sunday sun and pick out a choice article to post and we could all rip into that?...
Lee, your story had me in tears ... this is such an emotive subject as we all at some piont in varying degrees been affected, and it changes you...

[lostalex]

Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.

**** and have some ****ing respect for the dead. If you wanna talk crap about the dead, go post on the Daily Mail. I have no tolerance for it here. I expect better here.

Alcoholism, and all addiction is a Disease, not a choice, and there are plenty of us here that know that first hand. Have some respect, and don't talk about **** that you don't know about.

it's hurtful.

Am i on TiBB or Reddit?? i hope we have higher standards than reddit./ have some respect.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=lostalex;5822354]Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.


The gentleman being discussed is still alive.

[lostalex]

[QUOTE=Cherie;5822356]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.

Originally Posted by lostalex

The gentleman being discussed is still alive.

The conversation that i saw was about how people that have addiction deserve to be dead, and also people talking about family members that have died from addiction. that's what i was responding to.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.

**** and have some ****ing respect for the dead. If you wanna talk crap about the dead, go post on the Daily Mail. I have no tolerance for it here. I expect better here.

Alcoholism, and all addiction is a Disease, not a choice, and there are plenty of us here that know that first hand. Have some respect, and don't talk about **** that you don't know about.

it's hurtful.

Am i on TiBB or Reddit?? i hope we have higher standards than reddit./ have some respect.

As Cherie said and the title is a wee hint, he's not a gonner yet.

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Claymores

As Cherie said and the title is a wee hint, he's not a gonner yet.

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

i tried to respond to cherie, but she ****ed up her post, so my responses don't even work properly lol.

but anyways, i ws responding to all the people that said it would be better if he died, and also talked about people they know that were addicts that were destructive to people's lives.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

that doesn't even make sense dude. how the hell did you get Hitler out of anything i said???

Hitler killed himself because he was losing the war, he was going to be captured by the allies, how does that equate in ANY WAY to addiction? are you trying to compare addicts to Nazi's???

You've lost me.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that doesn't even make sense dude. how the hell did you get Hitler out of anything i said???

Hitler killed himself because he was losing the war, he was going to be captured by the allies, how does that equate in ANY WAY to addiction?

You've lost me.

you said we should remember the deceased kindly - I gave an example for you to eulagise on

you're going off on some crazy tangent of what people feel of adickheads

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Claymores

you said we should remember the deceased kindly - I gave an example for you to eulagise on

you're going off on some crazy tangent of what people feel of adickheads

wow "adickheads" really?

stay classy dude. lol that's so immature and dumb. "adickheads"...sounds like addicts, but with dick heads added to it, cause it sounds sorta similar. so clever. *vomit*

seriously?

[Marc]

I agree with Cherie