[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly. Yet you seem to have this idea that people just get given houses left right and centre. Doesnt work like that at all.

No I understand its Tough
we are in Hard Times



Vicky Stay Strong

You Have My Respect

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No I understand its Tough
we are in Hard Times



Vicky Stay Strong

You Have My Respect

Well 'we' arent really in hard times are we... I have had my tax cut, so I have more income than ever before. Richer people than me have the same tax breaks...the very richest avoid tax alltogether and nothing is done about it. And yet the poorest and most vulnerable in society are being hammered over and over again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"have you ever been on a council waiting list? "


No it would be hell

Yes it is, and there are not as many smaller properties as vicky says, the council built many family homes which means that there are considerably less 1 and 2 bed properties in any town. This is what is causing problems for those affected, if there is nothing suitable as an alternative they have to stay put and pay the excess. Or go into private rented accommodation and if welfare dependent it ends up costing the government more in rent than if they had stayed in social housing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well 'we' arent really in hard times are we... I have had my tax cut, so I have more income than ever before. Richer people than me have the same tax breaks...the very richest avoid tax alltogether and nothing is done about it. And yet the poorest and most vulnerable in society are being hammered over and over again.

No thats changing
New Labour had 13 years to do something but changed it to worse

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes it is, and there are not as many smaller properties as vicky says, the council built many family homes which means that there are considerably less 1 and 2 bed properties in any town. This is what is causing problems for those affected, if there is nothing suitable as an alternative they have to stay put and pay the excess. The alternative is go into private rented accommodation and if welfare dependent it ends up costing the government more in rent than if they had stayed in social housing.

We that will have to do for now

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

We that will have to do for now

Except many cant do that either..as a lot of private landlords wont accept people who get housing benefit..plus theres massive costs involved with moving to private rented properties. When I moved out of social housing and into private rented to be closer to work, I had to pay a months rent upfront, a Ł500 bond, and a Ł200 admin fee. This was Ł1250 alltogether..though I did get the Ł500 back when I moved out. People who are unemployed or on very low income (workers get HB too) will not have this kind of money available to them to be able to move to private rented.

If they did have that kind of money, they wouldnt need to move out as they would be able to pay the Ł20 per week relatively easily.

[thesheriff443]

this tax is not fair at all!, but in some area's you can get upto 15,000 to down size depending how many bedrooms you have!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

this tax is not fair at all!, but in some area's you can get upto 15,000 to down size depending how many bedrooms you have!

Really? I didnt know you could be paid to downsize, where does this happen? This would solve the problem of people not being able to afford to move. Mind I do think 15k is too much..

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really? I didnt know you could be paid to downsize, where does this happen? This would solve the problem of people not being able to afford to move. Mind I do think 15k is too much..

I think some compensation is deserved as people spend money on decorating etc and you can't take that with you. I agree Ł15k is too much surely it woul take a long time to recoup that on the lower rents and/ or tax so it would make better financial sense to leave people where they are??

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really? I didnt know you could be paid to downsize, where does this happen? This would solve the problem of people not being able to afford to move. Mind I do think 15k is too much..

this happens in Berkshire, south east, its five grand per bedroom and you can move to private renting or stay with your council or housing association.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I think some compensation is deserved as people spend money on decorating etc and you can't take that with you. I agree Ł15k is too much surely it woul take a long time to recoup that on the lower rents and/ or tax so it would make better financial sense to leave people where they are??

they get bigger familys off the waiting list, and its cheaper than building a new house.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Except many cant do that either..as a lot of private landlords wont accept people who get housing benefit..plus theres massive costs involved with moving to private rented properties. When I moved out of social housing and into private rented to be closer to work, I had to pay a months rent upfront, a Ł500 bond, and a Ł200 admin fee. This was Ł1250 alltogether..though I did get the Ł500 back when I moved out. People who are unemployed or on very low income (workers get HB too) will not have this kind of money available to them to be able to move to private rented.

If they did have that kind of money, they wouldnt need to move out as they would be able to pay the Ł20 per week relatively easily.

Of course, this is what makes this so unworkable. This was a way to reduce the welfare bill and that is all, even the tax break given to the workers on low incomes are affected they give it with one hand and take with the other.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

this happens in Berkshire, south east, its five grand per bedroom and you can move to private renting or stay with your council or housing association.

Shame its not everywhere really. That seems a very fairer way of going about it..though as I said it does seem extremely high.. thats nearly a years wages for me

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

they get bigger familys off the waiting list, and its cheaper than building a new house.

Yeah I guess you're right when you put it like that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

they get bigger familys off the waiting list, and its cheaper than building a new house.

But building a new house would cost more NOW, but would save more money in the long run..

This is the correct way of going about this..build more council houses. It seems so simple yet the government dont seem to grasp it.

More houses = more jobs for builders and such too. Save money, plus lower unemployment in one go.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Shame its not everywhere really. That seems a very fairer way of going about it..though as I said it does seem extremely high.. thats nearly a years wages for me

but even tho its high not many people take that option people tend to stay in their homes that's why this tax will put pressure on people to down size.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

this tax is not fair at all!, but in some area's you can get upto 15,000 to down size depending how many bedrooms you have!

I don't believe that for a second, do you mean those forced to move from the capital due to the extortionate rents charged by private landlords there?
This is a separate issue the housing benefit cap.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe that for a second, do you mean those forced to move from the capital dur to the extortionate rents charged by private landlords there?
This is a separate issue the housing benefit cap.

I don't understand what your saying?, this happens in Berkshire, with council and housing association tenants.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

this happens in Berkshire, south east, its five grand per bedroom and you can move to private renting or stay with your council or housing association.

This is only available in certain areas, based on the house prices I think.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But building a new house would cost more NOW, but would save more money in the long run..

This is the correct way of going about this..build more council houses. It seems so simple yet the government dont seem to grasp it.

More houses = more jobs for builders and such too. Save money, plus lower unemployment in one go.

there are new houses being built but not fast enough.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is only available in certain areas, based on the house prices I think.

I never said it was nation wide, and yes in some area's you can buy a house for three grand so it would not make sense.

[joeysteele]

My opinion of this rotten bedroom tax or whatever the Govt would like it disguised as something else and called are well known I would think on here.

The point is when a suicide occurs, there is likely one thing that is the last straw,the final push that someone cannot see a way out of or around their worries and massive anxieties as to it.
In this instance, the lady herself blames the pressure of the bedroom tax and this totally rotten heartless Govt for her even thinking she is at that point.

This is a real tragedy, there has been a loss of life caused at the very least in part by this unnecessary, heartless and discriminatory policy.
The Govt should after reading this, hang their heads in shame and the Lib Dems in particular for ever allowing the Conservatives to bring in such a totally rotten policy.

Had Labour done this, this story would have been all over the major front pages of most of the papers, as it is, it will be kept away from too much headlining because it is a Conservative led Govt that has done this policy.
Someone has lost their life,that is a reality and very sadly I believe she will not be the last either.

History will I hope, record this Govt under David Cameron and in coalition with the Lib Dems as a really dangerous one that had no understanding, compassion or any idea as to real fairness either in its policy making.

If ever a single policy should spell the end of any Govt in power then this 'bedroom tax' is one of the higher placings of such a policy.
This is only the start,wait until those with rent arrears are getting bailiffs around and then also the court applications for eviction orders.

This is what we should be hearing about and will be as this year and next goes on.
The lady who has felt the need to take her own life because of the massive pressures of this rotten grabbing of funds from her already low income deserves this Govt to really get pilloried for not thinking this bedroom charge out more compassionately.
for me though,they should be pilloried for even making such a rotten policy in in the first place.

[Vicky.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ond-homes.html

Meanwhile..the real parasites are at it again...

Expenses should be abolished. Sick of reading about them being abused whilst those on (other)benefits are made out to be the drains on society.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But building a new house would cost more NOW, but would save more money in the long run..

This is the correct way of going about this..build more council houses. It seems so simple yet the government dont seem to grasp it.

More houses = more jobs for builders and such too. Save money, plus lower unemployment in one go.

Of course, that would be an excellent option, with the advancement in prefabricated housing..the glut of workers available..the advent of free schools?
Let's get the town planners in!
We have lots space in the UK, whats the hold up?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I never said it was nation wide, and yes in some area's you can buy a house for three grand so it would not make sense.

But how is that right or fair? What is the incentive for local councils to offers these 'sweetners'?
Some are given help to be shunted from the area.. or in some cases the town they know, and bunged a few quid to get the 'undesirables' from the leafy burbs..
Those in less affluent boroughs are left to struggle along penalised for their local authority not having the funds or the properties to assist them?