[AdamArmand]

Originally posted by Nowhere
A debate is a casual discussion, Adam is claiming that anyone who doesn't think the way he does,is automaticlly unintelligant,which is unfair,narrow minded, and obviously ridiculous.. Intelligence is a knowledge of the world and all things in it, and if you can't understand that other people may not agree with you everytime, then you have a lot to learn, and not so knowledgable of the world as you'd like to think...

Not at all. What i am saying is that anyone who thinks Susie is boring without looking to the FACT that everyone else has failed to inspire her to 'come alive' IS OBVIOUSLY emotionally unintelligent. That is common sense. We are not all black or white my friend. Susie would be engrossing to watch if she was complemented by dynamic personalities. IMO, there are none. They are just kids who want to laugh and be the head of the 'clan'. Susie has amazing self confidance. Do you see her cracking up and crying in the diary room at any of the 'test results' like Aisleyne did?

[Nowhere]

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Just because you disagree with someone you have no right to call someone's post cack, you cannot have a debate it seems without trying to put someone else down.

My point is she has limited conversational topics.You can blame that on the other housemates but has she tried to start debates?

You spelt different wrong btw.

exactly, it's almost intimidating the way in which Deep replies to your view and post, which is why i'm led to believe he's imposing his views onto us

[Deep2]

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Just because you disagree with someone you have no right to call someone's post cack, you cannot have a debate it seems without trying to put someone else down.

My point is she has limited conversational topics.You can blame that on the other housemates but has she tried to start debates?

You spelt different wrong btw.

I am so sorry I spelt 'different' wrong, what is your point? Have you heard of mistyping before, you ignoramous.

I see you are unable to address my point on I.Q. tests.

Again, you have failed to answer my point on why she has limited conversation topics, and merely reiterated your one dimensional, intellectually stunted post.

It is due to her SITUATION she is not making an effort, as the people in the house are not on her wave length. every human being may interact differently with a given set of people. She is not being given the chance to shine, as the people in there are younger and more common than her. She is shutting herself off.

[AdamArmand]

Originally posted by Nowhere
exactly, it's almost intimidating the way in which Deep replies to your view and post, which is why i'm led to believe he's imposing his views onto us

Is that your answer to everything? This is a discussion forum. Nobody's imposing, just offering views.

[Nowhere]

Originally posted by AdamArmand

Not at all. What i am saying is that anyone who thinks Susie is boring without looking to the FACT that everyone else has failed to inspire her to 'come alive' IS OBVIOUSLY emotionally unintelligent. That is common sense. We are not all black or white my friend. Susie would be engrossing to watch if she was complemented by dynamic personalities. IMO, there are none. They are just kids who want to laugh and be the head of the 'clan'. Susie has amazing self confidance. Do you see her cracking up and crying in the diary room at any of the 'test results' like Aisleyne did?

It is only possible to judge someone on what you've witnessed already, anything else ould be a guess or estimation. You cannot say for sure she would be a more interesting character if she were put with different people,unless you've witnessed it.

[Deep2]

[i]Originally posted by Nowhere[/i

exactly, it's almost intimidating the way in which Deep replies to your view and post, which is why i'm led to believe he's imposing his views onto us

Nonsense, nowhere man. I have no distinct opinion on Suzie I am trying to impose. I am just objecting to the clearly limited intellect streaming from some of the posters. My opinion of Suzie is fairly neutral to be honest.

[AdamArmand]

Originally posted by Nowhere

It is only possible to judge someone on what you've witnessed already, anything else ould be a guess or estimation. You cannot say for sure she would be a more interesting character if she were put with different people,unless you've witnessed it.

You only have to look at the evidence - them chucking cake around, Mikey trying to intimidate people, Aisleyne becoming disillusioned, Pete going into his shell, Glyn's 'masturbation' woes... to come to the conclusion that Susie will not waste her energy trying to be one of the actors in these scenarios.

Where are the Pete Burns, the Jackie Stallones, the John McWhatsits, to give her something to LIVE for?!

[Deep2]

Originally posted by AdamArmand

Not at all. What i am saying is that anyone who thinks Susie is boring without looking to the FACT that everyone else has failed to inspire her to 'come alive' IS OBVIOUSLY emotionally unintelligent. That is common sense. We are not all black or white my friend. Susie would be engrossing to watch if she was complemented by dynamic personalities. IMO, there are none. They are just kids who want to laugh and be the head of the 'clan'. Susie has amazing self confidance. Do you see her cracking up and crying in the diary room at any of the 'test results' like Aisleyne did?

Firstly, a debate is not necessarily a casual discussion. Where do you get that idea from?

Secondly, all Adam did was say he was pleased a like minded intelligent person thought as he did. This has been read into and misinterpreted as an attack on others who do not share the opinion. All it was really, was a compliment and a sign of unity for someone who agrees with him.

Thirdly, you have given a definition of intelligence, I would like to know where you got this, as it is not completely accurate.

Fourthly, your assertion that Adam did not follow your definition, is flawed, as your definition is flawed and secondly, as point two was also flawed and you failed to show a causal link between narrow mindedness and intelligence.

[Deep2]

Originally posted by Nowhere


It is only possible to judge someone on what you've witnessed already, anything else ould be a guess or estimation. You cannot say for sure she would be a more interesting character if she were put with different people,unless you've witnessed it.

Judgement is something that we do all the time. When we guess, we are judging. The only difference is that once we get to know a person, we then make an informed judgement. One can still judge from what one sees, it is one of the fundamentals of human behaviour and to suggest 'we can only judge what we have witnessed' is a pure nonsense, that almost sounds like oppression.

[Nowhere]

Ok maybe she would 'shine' if she were put with a different selection of people, but she may not, who's to say she isn't being herself at the moment? There's no evidence to back up your statement,other than guess work.. Susie entered the house with full knowledge of the kind of people she would be mixing with. It's our job,to vote out the least entertaining, at the moment,she is entertaining me the least, there isn't a point in saying 'It's just the selection of people she's in there with' as we cannot change the people in there, it's her job to shine above all others, yet she is fading into the background. You can't blame the other Housemates for that!

[AdamArmand]

Another thing, dont you find it admirable the way Susie has dealt with people like Mikey when he has tried to rile her so he can scream in her face?! He is so below her, her intelligence when it comes to dealing with him is admirable, thats why i pay no heed to ridiculous 'test results'. I admire her. Not that im captivated or anything but she hasnt tried to BE anyone. Ultimately we go through life trying to find ourselves and put on masks of bravada/pizzaz/eccentricity to cope with the harsh realities. That's cool. Susie is happy, i think. Ultimately. Isnt that what we all want? We should be patting her on the back.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Deep2

I am so sorry I spelt 'different' wrong, what is your point? Have you heard of mistyping before, you ignoramous.

I see you are unable to address my point on I.Q. tests.

Again, you have failed to answer my point on why she has limited conversation topics, and merely reiterated your one dimensional, intellectually stunted post.

It is due to her SITUATION she is not making an effort, as the people in the house are not on her wave length. every human being may interact differently with a given set of people. She is not being given the chance to shine, as the people in there are younger and more common than her. She is shutting herself off.

How about reading your post before submitting it.Yet more name calling from you how predictable, try reading the forum rules about insulting members.

IQ or Intelligence Quotient is an attempt to measure intelligence.I cannot answer the other 2 questions.

She seems to get on well with Richard,has she tried to have debates with him? if not why not? That's making the assumption that just because they are not on her wavelength they cannot have a debate with her, why not try it's not like she has anything else to do. Why bring class into it? You seem to always bring up that people are common.It is her shutting herself off because she's pre-judging the others.

[Deep2]

Originally posted by BB fernzy


How about reading your post before submitting it.Yet more name calling from you how predictable, try reading the forum rules about insulting members.

IQ or Intelligence Quotient is an attempt to measure intelligence.I cannot answer the other 2 questions.

She seems to get on well with Richard,has she tried to have debates with him? if not why not? That's making the assumption that just because they are not on her wavelength they cannot have a debate with her, why not try it's not like she has anything else to do. Why bring class into it? You seem to always bring up that people are common.It is her shutting herself off because she's pre-judging the others.

I love your definiton of an I.Q. test. that is like saying a tree is a tree because it is a tree. So what does measuring intelligence mean then?

I also love the way you admit you cannot answer the other quesitons. Well, hard luck, old chap.

And as for you comment on me using 'class' this is a nonsense. I do not refer to 'class' when I use the expression 'common', but a personality type, this is implicit in my words.

I have read the forum rules on behaviour thank you very much. Very grateful you suggested it.

[AdamArmand]

By classy, im not referring to her being posh, but the way she deals with situations in an admirable manner and doesnt flip out.

[Slartibartfast]

I'm not clear on a few things, are you saying that susie can't interact with this current lot cos she has nothing in common with them, or that she won't interact with them cos they're a bunch of idiots? Is it an inability or a conscious decision not to get involved??

I think it's a conscious decision by her not to get involved, although it has little to do with the actions of the other HMs. I think Susie is boring and does little because that's what she chooses to do. She's a veteran watcher of BB, she knows that the bigger characters, the controversial ones will split public opinion and be evicted early. I remember her saying as much a while back, when she made some comment about the loud ones all being evicted.

She's boring and inactive cos she thinks thats the way to get ahead in BB, and it's worked for her so far. She's survived against some housemates (like Nikki) who probably have a much wider fan base than her but equally have a lot more haters than her. She's going to bore her way into or at least near the final. She'll never win, but thats not her aim. Her aim, as she has stated, is to get publicity so she can try to build some kind of career on the back of her BB appearance. In order to do this, she wants to be relatively popular but more importantly, she needs to be not hated so she can pick up some nice light entertainment TV job when she gets out. I don't think she will, but thats her aim.

I don't think it would matter who she was in with, she would never be a big character in any BB.

[Foebane100]

Originally posted by Deep2

What makes you decide that this is not the right place for her? An unintelligent post, based purely on subjective opinion.

If the producers put in people with more intellect, more depth and morality, Suzie would not be so isolated.

Have you watched the previous shows?
I doubt you'll find artists and intellectuals in the house.

If Suzie doesn't get on with the housemates and they are beneath her then it is clear she does not fit in with them.

All posts are subjective; if you look at your own you will see they are.

[Deep2]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I'm not clear on a few things, are you saying that susie can't interact with this current lot cos she has nothing in common with them, or that she won't interact with them cos they're a bunch of idiots? Is it an inability or a conscious decision not to get involved??

I think it's a conscious decision by her not to get involved, although it has little to do with the actions of the other HMs. I think Susie is boring and does little because that's what she chooses to do. She's a veteran watcher of BB, she knows that the bigger characters, the controversial ones will split public opinion and be evicted early. I remember her saying as much a while back, when she made some comment about the loud ones all being evicted.

She's boring and inactive cos she thinks thats the way to get ahead in BB, and it's worked for her so far. She's survived against some housemates (like Nikki) who probably have a much wider fan base than her but equally have a lot more haters than her. She's going to bore her way into or at least near the final. She'll never win, but thats not her aim. Her aim, as she has stated, is to get publicity so she can try to build some kind of career on the back of her BB appearance. In order to do this, she wants to be relatively popular but more importantly, she needs to be not hated so she can pick up some nice light entertainment TV job when she gets out. I don't think she will, but thats her aim.

I don't think it would matter who she was in with, she would never be a big character in any BB.

I think a bit of both. They are a bunch of idiots, but she is on a different wavelength. I also agree that on another BB she would not be much of a bigger character, but she would be more interesting, if she was compatable with some other housemates. Yes, there is a conscious decision on her part not to get involved, but I would do the same, if in her position, and I am far from boring.

[Blowout]

The whole point of Big Brother is that it's supposed to be a social experiment, by putting in a load of different people from different walks of life and see how they get a long and how far they will go against each other for a prize. Not to put a load of one type of person in (in this instance Susie) and watch them drink tea and have civilised conversation.

[Deep2]

Originally posted by Foebane100

Have you watched the previous shows?
I doubt you'll find artists and intellectuals in the house.

If Suzie doesn't get on with the housemates and they are beneath her then it is clear she does not fit in with them.

All posts are subjective; if you look at your own you will see they are.

There were no intellectuals on previous shows? That is untrue. Eugene, Derek and Jon Tickle for a star, and they were some of the most popular housemates EVER.

[Foebane100]

Originally posted by Blowout
The whole point of Big Brother is that it's supposed to be a social experiment, by putting in a load of different people from different walks of life and see how they get a long and how far they will go against each other for a prize. Not to put a load of one type of person in (in this instance Susie) and watch them drink tea and have civilised conversation.

Yeah it is to see how different types of people get on and interact.

I wouldn't mind if they had some discussions, but then they would probably just dip the sound. I’d like to know the opinions of the various housemates on different topics.

[Nowhere]

Originally posted by Blowout
The whole point of Big Brother is that it's supposed to be a social experiment, by putting in a load of different people from different walks of life and see how they get a long and how far they will go against each other for a prize. Not to put a load of one type of person in (in this instance Susie) and watch them drink tea and have civilised conversation.

[Foebane100]

Originally posted by Deep2

There were no intellectuals on previous shows? That is untrue. Eugene, Derek and Jon Tickle for a star, and they were some of the most popular housemates EVER.

I'll give you Jon Tickle as popular (he should have won), but the others I don't think really were popular.

[AdamArmand]

Originally posted by Blowout
The whole point of Big Brother is that it's supposed to be a social experiment, by putting in a load of different people from different walks of life and see how they get a long and how far they will go against each other for a prize. Not to put a load of one type of person in (in this instance Susie) and watch them drink tea and have civilised conversation.

Evidently THEY DID NOT put people in from different walks of life. Glyn, Mikey, Imogen, Aisleyne, Jennie - all the freakin same with no unique flair. They are the SAME TYPE OF PERSON. They want to be popular, they want to be the star, or something which they are not (Ais trying to be 'ghetto'). BB7 has failed because there are NOT diverse types in the house. Susie and last series' Derek would have been WONDERFUL television in the same house.

You make absolutely no sense to me.

[Deep2]

Originally posted by Blowout
The whole point of Big Brother is that it's supposed to be a social experiment, by putting in a load of different people from different walks of life and see how they get a long and how far they will go against each other for a prize. Not to put a load of one type of person in (in this instance Susie) and watch them drink tea and have civilised conversation.

What a stupid post. I said people she was compatible with. And if BB is about a social experient, with people from different walks of life, why then are they ALL common and unintelligent? Why are so many single? Why are so many young? Why are so many models? Why are so many surgically enhanced? Why no intellectuals/established people?

[Deep2]

Originally posted by AdamArmand

Evidently THEY DID NOT put people in from different walks of life. Glyn, Mikey, Imogen, Aisleyne, Jennie - all the freakin same with no unique flair. They are the SAME TYPE OF PERSON. They want to be popular, they want to be the star, or something which they are not (Ais trying to be 'ghetto'). BB7 has failed because there are NOT diverse types in the house. Susie and last series' Derek would have been WONDERFUL television in the same house.

Absoultely. Another excellent post. I said the same thing, just hadn't read yours!