[bez87]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She paints on her eyebrows at an unnatural angle, slanted downwards, which makes her look evil / intimidating, as a deliberate attempt to convey strength. Probably has done for years. She looks much softer / nicer without makeup on, such as during the task, but note that she also feels uncomfortable and exposed.

Also of note: Daley forcefully stating that he prefers her without it. Probably because without her mask on, he felt more dominant. The whole conversation was way outside her comfort zone.

So yeah... Those "evil eyes" are a trick with makeup that she does deliberately for probably complex reasons. I maintain that she is a MUCH more fascinating character than most of them, because she's not an open book (or a contrived character).

She is desperate to appear strong and really is admirably stoic, as Dexter and a few others picked up on last night, she takes things that are obviously upsetting her squarely on the chin and doesnt throw a hysterical tantrum like the rest of them (bar Dexter) would have by now.

Of course, most other women (and some men) simply do not like strength or assertiveness in women. Certainly not pre-menopausal women, anyway.

That is people's real issue with Hazel and Daley and they probably dont even know it. Charlie / dexter is the same situation but people don't have the same response. why? because Dexter, the male, is the pursuer and Charlie the passive girl giggling away.

With Daley and Hazel - although Daley wad the first to show interest (hand-writing) - hazel was the one pursuing. Too assertive. People can't handle it. because people, it turns out, really are sexist.

And the funny thing is, I didn't believe it until all of this. I've always said that modern feminism is pointless, that there is equality, that these issues are imagined but they're clearly not - the general public is blatantly misogynistic when a female falls outwith their expected role or personality. And do you know what the biggest revelation to me is? it's not men. Men are not the problem. Most men really are "getting there" when it comes to being unsexist and unbiased.

its other women! Women hate women. It's absolutely bizarre.

Completely agree with this and they were my feelings to, I find the whole sexiest thing a joke, us men are trying, and women want equal rights but they also want there womens rights to :S crazy, they can't have it both ways, and like you said it's not us men who are causing the trouble or moaning about it's women against women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As Toy soldier pointed out you're inconsistent. Why do you call her a slut? What do you actually know about her life o ba able to make that claim.? Its sad that you feel so strongly about people on a game show that you feel its necessary to insult them from a view point of ignorance.

The language that's been used when some people discuss is sickening.

Dexter has streaked around the garden (*shudder...*) virtually licked Charlie's face in an effort to make her notice him and all the time he has a girlfriend. Has anyone called him a slut? No... Because he has a penis.

Hazel has weathered the tirade of nastiness that was thrust upon her, by what is probably a bunch of insecure women voting on the BB website. Had it been any other female in there - especially Gina - no way would they have got on with it with the good grace that Hazel showed.

She's still my favourite, she has more character than anyone else in there.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bez87

Completely agree with this and they were my feelings to, I find the whole sexiest thing a joke, us men are trying, and women want equal rights but they also want there womens rights to :S crazy, they can't have it both ways, and like you said it's not us men who are causing the trouble or moaning about it's women against women.

I'm a woman and Hazel's always been my favourite. What's more a lot of the comments that have been made about Hazel on this forum have come from men, calling her a slut, and worse...

And this may come as news to you, but women don't want equal rights, we already have them. Welcome to 2013.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She paints on her eyebrows at an unnatural angle, slanted downwards, which makes her look evil / intimidating, as a deliberate attempt to convey strength. Probably has done for years. She looks much softer / nicer without makeup on, such as during the task, but note that she also feels uncomfortable and exposed.

Also of note: Daley forcefully stating that he prefers her without it. Probably because without her mask on, he felt more dominant. The whole conversation was way outside her comfort zone.

So yeah... Those "evil eyes" are a trick with makeup that she does deliberately for probably complex reasons. I maintain that she is a MUCH more fascinating character than most of them, because she's not an open book (or a contrived character).

She is desperate to appear strong and really is admirably stoic, as Dexter and a few others picked up on last night, she takes things that are obviously upsetting her squarely on the chin and doesnt throw a hysterical tantrum like the rest of them (bar Dexter) would have by now.

Of course, most other women (and some men) simply do not like strength or assertiveness in women. Certainly not pre-menopausal women, anyway.

That is people's real issue with Hazel and Daley and they probably dont even know it. Charlie / dexter is the same situation but people don't have the same response. why? because Dexter, the male, is the pursuer and Charlie the passive girl giggling away.

With Daley and Hazel - although Daley wad the first to show interest (hand-writing) - hazel was the one pursuing. Too assertive. People can't handle it. because people, it turns out, really are sexist.

And the funny thing is, I didn't believe it until all of this. I've always said that modern feminism is pointless, that there is equality, that these issues are imagined but they're clearly not - the general public is blatantly misogynistic when a female falls outwith their expected role or personality. And do you know what the biggest revelation to me is? it's not men. Men are not the problem. Most men really are "getting there" when it comes to being unsexist and unbiased.

its other women! Women hate women. It's absolutely bizarre.

Great post.

Hazel is being lined up for a slut shaming - I hate that expression - and most of the public are quite happy with that. Its a disgusting attitude to a strong sexually assertive woman.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a woman and Hazel's always been my favourite. What's more a lot of the comments that have been made about Hazel on this forum have come from men, calling her a slut, and worse...

And this may come as news to you, but women don't want equal rights, we already have them. Welcome to 2013.

I know there are a few women on here who are vocally supportive of Hazel and of course there are plenty of men who are idiots and will happily brand her "a "slut" - probably the same sort of men who, if they cheated on their partner - would try to blame a "slut homewrecker" to avoid the blame...

However its pretty undeniable that most of the public "hazel hating", including on here, has come from other females.

It's also females who are quicker to defend the Daley Safehouse incident, just have a glance at YouTube comments on the videos of it.

It's a bit of an obscure phenomenon if you ask me, it seems to be something pretty deep-rooted in our society.

Yes women have equal rights and have done for several years but there clearly is a bias and a sort of subconscious favouritism that still goes on in society at large... Men get away with more, are less likely to be demonized for the same things.

Here's an obvious example: what do you think would have happened if it was Hazel who had a boyfriend, and Daley that was single? Would Daley have been blasted for breaking the "bro code"? Would he be deemed a homewrecker? No probably not. Hazel would still have been branded a slut.

By women.

Theres clearly still a massive imbalance somewhere in society but it has little to do with the attitudes of men.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know there are a few women on here who are vocally supportive of Hazel and of course there are plenty of men who are idiots and will happily brand her "a "slut" - probably the same sort of men who, if they cheated on their partner - would try to blame a "slut homewrecker" to avoid the blame...

However its pretty undeniable that most of the public "hazel hating", including on here, has come from other females.

It's also females who are quicker to defend the Daley Safehouse incident, just have a glance at YouTube comments on the videos of it.

It's a bit of an obscure phenomenon if you ask me, it seems to be something pretty deep-rooted in our society.

Yes women have equal rights and have done for several years but there clearly is a bias and a sort of subconscious favouritism that still goes on in society at large... Men get away with more, are less likely to be demonized for the same things.

Here's an obvious example: what do you think would have happened if it was Hazel who had a boyfriend, and Daley that was single? Would Daley have been blasted for breaking the "bro code"? Would he be deemed a homewrecker? No probably not. Hazel would still have been branded a slut.

By women.

Theres clearly still a massive imbalance somewhere in society but it has little to do with the attitudes of men.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know there are a few women on here who are vocally supportive of Hazel and of course there are plenty of men who are idiots and will happily brand her "a "slut" - probably the same sort of men who, if they cheated on their partner - would try to blame a "slut homewrecker" to avoid the blame...

However its pretty undeniable that most of the public "hazel hating", including on here, has come from other females.

It's also females who are quicker to defend the Daley Safehouse incident, just have a glance at YouTube comments on the videos of it.

It's a bit of an obscure phenomenon if you ask me, it seems to be something pretty deep-rooted in our society.

Yes women have equal rights and have done for several years but there clearly is a bias and a sort of subconscious favouritism that still goes on in society at large... Men get away with more, are less likely to be demonized for the same things.

Here's an obvious example: what do you think would have happened if it was Hazel who had a boyfriend, and Daley that was single? Would Daley have been blasted for breaking the "bro code"? Would he be deemed a homewrecker? No probably not. Hazel would still have been branded a slut.

By women.

Theres clearly still a massive imbalance somewhere in society but it has little to do with the attitudes of men.

I do see what you're saying, and I agree with almost all of it. There is no mystical "sisterhood", generally, women would throw each other under a bus for the sake of a man, so the pseudo-outrage against Hazel is quite pathetic.

Many women are more understanding of Daley than Hazel because they want to give out the message to men "Look, I get you... you can be yourself with me... I'm not like other women". However, a lot of real women would have ripped Daley a new arsehole if he'd got all bristly and head-butty with them.

When I talk about women's rights I suppose I'm talking about it from my own angle, working in a male-dominated job. We're not just home-makers and breeders anymore, although some women make that hard to believe.

[Rawrbear]

Since Daley got the boot Hazel is getting like 100% of the blame now. I actually feel sorry for her, and I always liked Hazel and am getting sick of BBBOTS the audience just need to shut up about her sometimes and move onto someone else.

[bez87]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a woman and Hazel's always been my favourite. What's more a lot of the comments that have been made about Hazel on this forum have come from men, calling her a slut, and worse...

And this may come as news to you, but women don't want equal rights, we already have them. Welcome to 2013.

I just found it crazy on bbbots how many women feel so strongly against Hazel, if you have been following this forum throughout the whole Hazel and daley, i've been 100% on Hazels side. I hate this whole thing about her pulling his pants down, and people going well if it was in the work place then, no just stop there, were not in a work place, they were in a safe house yes on national tv but they weren't to know it was completely getting filmed and aired at that moment in time, they were alone, in a dark room and drunk, you can't compare that to if i walked into my place of work and pulled someones pants down lol.

the craziest thing that someone has come up with tho, is this whole Dexter thing, why isn't Dexter getting the same hate, when he actually does have a girlfriend, and how crazy is Emma on wednesday when one of the panel questioned it, and Emma went oooo it's just Dexter being Dexter well it just proves how sexiest we all can be i think

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rawrbear

Since Daley got the boot Hazel is getting like 100% of the blame now. I actually feel sorry for her, and I always liked Hazel and am getting sick of BBBOTS the audience just need to shut up about her sometimes and move onto someone else.

That audience is like baying mob... dreadful.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bez87

I just found it crazy on bbbots how many women feel so strongly against Hazel, if you have been following this forum throughout the whole Hazel and daley, i've been 100% on Hazels side. I hate this whole thing about her pulling his pants down, and people going well if it was in the work place then, no just stop there, were not in a work place, they were in a safe house yes on national tv but they weren't to know it was completely getting filmed and aired at that moment in time, they were alone, in a dark room and drunk, you can't compare that to if i walked into my place of work and pulled someones pants down lol.

the craziest thing that someone has come up with tho, is this whole Dexter thing, why isn't Dexter getting the same hate, when he actually does have a girlfriend, and how crazy is Emma on wednesday when one of the panel questioned it, and Emma went oooo it's just Dexter being Dexter well it just proves how sexiest we all can be i think

Good post, Bez, I agree. And yeah, I've been surprised by Emma.

[lime]

I am so tired of hearing Hazel fans tell those of us that don't like hazel that we are silly jealous women or that we are sexist.Is it that hard to comprehend that to some she is not likeable.
Some of the reasons why I don't like her is that on the morning after the Sallie/Gina spat ,fair enough hazel had befriended Sallie but whilst talking about it to Gemima Hazel shrugged her shoulders and told Gemima that it was a bad move as she(Gina) had now alienated herself from the group.I hate that sort of pack mentality.

A few days later she told Dan that on the previous night she had taken a bottle of red wine and put it back in the hatch so that Gina couldn't have it.If Hazel was drinking that night (which she wasn't)and felt that Gina had more than her fair share I would have respected her taking her fair share but she didn't ,she took it to be spiteful.

The night Wolfy broke down in Hazel 's arms telling Hazel that she was being bullied by her mate Dan Hazel changed towards Dan,the following morning she compeletly changed towards him and had no time for him .Although I am not a Dan fan I can see the difference that no matter what is thrown at Hazel he stands by her ,first sign of trouble with Dan and she turns her back on him.


As regard the Daley thing .I am glad he has been kicked out of the house.Yes he was the one in a relationship /Hazel was single.He was more to blame and if that was my husband of course I would be more angry with him .If I was single I would not want to get involved with a bloke where he and everyone around me refered to another woman as his GF.Yes Daley changed his story when Hazel and him became "connected".On the night of the Hazel/Wolfy eviction Hazel commented on hearing some shout "homewrecker Hazel"(which I don't agree with that term)she was called to the DR after the safe house twist was announced and told BB that if she was sent to the safe house she would like it to be with Daley .But the morning after Daley went all Ike Turner on her she spoke about Daley's GF to Dan and Charlie and told them she didn't need that drama in her life but she was happy enough trying to pull him into her bed the night before.And no that does not mean she deserved how he behaved but it certainley does not make he character at all likeable.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by megamaja40

I am sick of listening about the daley thing! stop blaming hazel for what happened..he said he had no girlfriend...she appeared and said they loved each other? get a grip everyone she got well paid for pretending to cry and shes the one who took daley from his wife and two boys..it takes two to tango just like theres two sides to every story and BB certainly did not think about that.

BB has incited hatred for hazel and should be ashamed of the treatment she is getting. Obviously they want Gina to win, so really they dont give a s**t what the public thinks because they are influencing the outcome.

If this is what BB is all about then its time to call it a day!

Please stop with this horse****.

For the first week or two Daley did have a GF. He mentioned how much he adored her on a number of occasions. When Hazel showed interest he said that he didn't have a GF and that she finished things before he entered the house, which his GF denied.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by megamaja40

I am sick of listening about the daley thing! stop blaming hazel for what happened..he said he had no girlfriend...she appeared and said they loved each other? get a grip everyone she got well paid for pretending to cry and shes the one who took daley from his wife and two boys..it takes two to tango just like theres two sides to every story and BB certainly did not think about that.

BB has incited hatred for hazel and should be ashamed of the treatment she is getting. Obviously they want Gina to win, so really they dont give a s**t what the public thinks because they are influencing the outcome.

If this is what BB is all about then its time to call it a day!

Excellent down to earth post. I too am sick of the victimisation of one gender over another. Daley was more to blame as you say he led her on regarding negative comments about his outside relationship.

Its agame show and all have a right to play that game with willing partners. daley was willing more than willing. He cooked his own goose and should take full responsibility for his disloyalty and stupidity.

Hazel is single, she has to answer to no one and should not have so much blame and down right silly immature hatred directed towards her.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lime

I am so tired of hearing Hazel fans tell those of us that don't like hazel that we are silly jealous women or that we are sexist.Is it that hard to comprehend that to some she is not likeable.
Some of the reasons why I don't like her is that on the morning after the Sallie/Gina spat ,fair enough hazel had befriended Sallie but whilst talking about it to Gemima Hazel shrugged her shoulders and told Gemima that it was a bad move as she(Gina) had now alienated herself from the group.I hate that sort of pack mentality.

A few days later she told Dan that on the previous night she had taken a bottle of red wine and put it back in the hatch so that Gina couldn't have it.If Hazel was drinking that night (which she wasn't)and felt that Gina had more than her fair share I would have respected her taking her fair share but she didn't ,she took it to be spiteful.

The night Wolfy broke down in Hazel 's arms telling Hazel that she was being bullied by her mate Dan Hazel changed towards Dan,the following morning she compeletly changed towards him and had no time for him .Although I am not a Dan fan I can see the difference that no matter what is thrown at Hazel he stands by her ,first sign of trouble with Dan and she turns her back on him.


As regard the Daley thing .I am glad he has been kicked out of the house.Yes he was the one in a relationship /Hazel was single.He was more to blame and if that was my husband of course I would be more angry with him .If I was single I would not want to get involved with a bloke where he and everyone around me refered to another woman as his GF.Yes Daley changed his story when Hazel and him became "connected".On the night of the Hazel/Wolfy eviction Hazel commented on hearing some shout "homewrecker Hazel"(which I don't agree with that term)she was called to the DR after the safe house twist was announced and told BB that if she was sent to the safe house she would like it to be with Daley .But the morning after Daley went all Ike Turner on her she spoke about Daley's GF to Dan and Charlie and told them she didn't need that drama in her life but she was happy enough trying to pull him into her bed the night before.And no that does not mean she deserved how he behaved but it certainley does not make he character at all likeable.

No one's expected to like everyone. What gets me down is the vile language that's been used against Hazel, and I find it expecially objectionable when it comes from women. That's what marks people out as jealous or sexist. Of course not everyone is going to like Hazel, but some people would like to tar and feather her and drag her through the streets. It's ridiculous...

[Fosse]

I think Hazel has been unlucky in this series.

The popularity of Gina must have baffled her.

[Goonieboy]

Originally Posted by bez87

I just found it crazy on bbbots how many women feel so strongly against Hazel, if you have been following this forum throughout the whole Hazel and daley, i've been 100% on Hazels side. I hate this whole thing about her pulling his pants down, and people going well if it was in the work place then, no just stop there, were not in a work place, they were in a safe house yes on national tv but they weren't to know it was completely getting filmed and aired at that moment in time, they were alone, in a dark room and drunk, you can't compare that to if i walked into my place of work and pulled someones pants down lol.

the craziest thing that someone has come up with tho, is this whole Dexter thing, why isn't Dexter getting the same hate, when he actually does have a girlfriend, and how crazy is Emma on wednesday when one of the panel questioned it, and Emma went oooo it's just Dexter being Dexter well it just proves how sexiest we all can be i think

100% agree!

[bez87]

Originally Posted by Livia

Good post, Bez, I agree. And yeah, I've been surprised by Emma.

I really don't want to come across as a woman hater lol i feel bad hahahahaha.

But one thing i'll say is not right, how anyone can call Hazel a sl*t i mean just because she flirts with someone does not make someone a sl*t, i think people have forgotten what the word means and just throw it around like there kids, well they are probably kids.

the other thing is like someone else has stated, if it was the other way round would anyone care that Daley was hitting on Hazel and she was in a relationship :S no of course not Hazel would of got it in the neck. we are so sexiest it's untrue. Us lads can do anything we want and it's always the womens fault, from men and women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Fosse

I think Hazel has been unlucky in this series.

The popularity of Gina must have baffled her.

It's baffled me too. After her blatant playing of the race card just a couple of days in... after her tiresome bad-mouthing of virtually everyone in the diary room followed by her outrage when BB informs her of something that's been said about her (while never passing on anything Gina's said)... I'm amazed she so popular. And there's the suggestion that she's rich and has been privately educated. Her tenuous grasp on grammar and syntax suggests to me her parents should be looking for a refund. Also, she's supposed to live at the Savoy, yet she can't use a knife and fork properly, so I'm guessing she just gets room service all the time?

I'm hoping people see sense about Gina and stop being so impressed because they think she's loaded.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's baffled me too. After her blatant playing of the race card just a couple of days in... after her tiresome bad-mouthing of virtually everyone in the diary room followed by her outrage when BB informs her of something that's been said about her (while never passing on anything Gina's said)... I'm amazed she so popular. And there's the suggestion that she's rich and has been privately educated. Her tenuous grasp on grammar and syntax suggests to me her parents should be looking for a refund. Also, she's supposed to live at the Savoy, yet she can't use a knife and fork properly, so I'm guessing she just gets room service all the time?

I'm hoping people see sense about Gina and stop being so impressed because they think she's loaded.

The things you notice. I'd never noticed that but you're right she holds the knife incorrectly.

[erinp5]

I find Hazel an ice cold biatch ,who went for Daly and airtime .Hazel only thinks of Hazel and she was going all out to get the column inches.
I find it utterly bizarre that she is in that house stating she is unaware why the public might dislike her.

[kefln]

Im often shocked at how twisted women can be in relation to other women.

I recently read that one of the members of little mix got actual death threats for going out with a member of 1D. I cant imagine ever being able to put myself into that sort of mindset.

Most women do have a competive side towards other women. Its normal. Men like to compete against each other, while women like to compare each other.

Sport can often bring out the worst in men. That need to beat the oposition into plup. I think that shows like BB, along with the internet, amplify that side of women. That need to compete against other women.

Im not saying that all women fall for this, which is the same with men and sports, but enough do to make it noticable, almost a cliche.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by erinp5

I find Hazel an ice cold biatch ,who went for Daly and airtime .Hazel only thinks of Hazel and she was going all out to get the column inches.
I find it utterly bizarre that she is in that house stating she is unaware why the public might dislike her.

Really? you find it hard to believe she doesn't realise the public hate her cuz of a few things she did over a three day period a couple of weeks ago. How thick she must be for not thinking people might have moved on. If she was clever then she'd realise that the public want their pound of flesh, one way or another, and the vindictive arseholes will wait weeks maybe months to see her suffer . How dumb she must be for thinking people had better things to think about?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by erinp5

I find Hazel an ice cold biatch ,who went for Daly and airtime .Hazel only thinks of Hazel and she was going all out to get the column inches.
I find it utterly bizarre that she is in that house stating she is unaware why the public might dislike her.

A housemate looking for column inches??!! Shocking, I mean I havent seen that since BB2 when housemates realised they could get thier 15 minutes and a small payday out of BB. Oh, sorry, that has been pretty much every hoysemate ever...

[anne666]

I too find the hatred of Hazel worrying, vile and moronic in some cases.This is BB for goodness sake. My disgust was with BOTS and their totally one sided, ratings attracting interview of the so called GF. That was totally wrong without all parties there to either defend or discuss the situation. Once again BB stirring their tawdry pot of sleaze to up the viewing figures and to hell with the people involved.