[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No she shouldn't have .... but dont forget the other housemates do not know the details of what happened and because Hazel only confided in Dan...the rest of them could only speculate the intensity of it.... Charlie possibly thinks that in their drink infested night in the Safe house something as innocent had occured and been magnified to the point that Hazel had misconstrued something 'accidental' as the cucumber as something aggressively deliberate thus resulting in Daleys dismissal.

True, the only thing missing in the SH was the cucumber

Or was it ?

lolololol

[Kris]

Originally Posted by Marc

Charlie shouldn't have brought up Daley, because by doing so she sort of let on to the fact that she had (if only slightly) found Hazel responsible for his ejection. Which has probably gone through Hazel's head ever since the situation and if somebody so close to her in the house also thinks it, that must be tough and a bit of a slap in the face.

Truth hurts sometimes. Too bad it took Charlie to say it. If Gina had said it everyone would have loved it. Maybe if she had been more up front with everything in the beginning people wouldn't have to draw their own conclusions.

The "aggressive" card is used far too often in that house for the benefit of making others look bad.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kris

Truth hurts sometimes. Too bad it took Charlie to say it. If Gina had said it everyone would have loved it. Maybe if she had been more up front with everything in the beginning people wouldn't have to draw their own conclusions.

The "aggressive" card is used far too often in that house for the benefit of making others look bad.

Truth? Did Charlie witness the incident and know enough to pass on any "truth"?

The word irrational springs to mind.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Truth? Did Charlie witness the incident and know enough to pass on any "truth"?

The word irrational springs to mind.

she got hazels edited version ....she probably realises hazel tried to force his pants down and of course Charlie was present that night chatting to hazel as daley got angry due to the sleep deprivation and endless provocation of hazel...Charlie knows a fair bit....why should everyone pussy foot around hazel? they tell everyone else straight...why should topics be taboo?

[Kris]

Originally Posted by the truth

she got hazels edited version ....she probably realises hazel tried to force his pants down and of course Charlie was present that night chatting to hazel as daley got angry due to the sleep deprivation and endless provocation of hazel...Charlie knows a fair bit....why should everyone pussy foot around hazel? they tell everyone else straight...why should topics be taboo?

This and again, maybe had she been up front people wouldn't have to form their own conclusions.

There was no reason at all for aggressive to ever come up in the first place. She was far more "aggressive" in shoving it in Charlie's mouth than Charlie was giving it back.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

she got hazels edited version ....she probably realises hazel tried to force his pants down and of course Charlie was present that night chatting to hazel as daley got angry due to the sleep deprivation and endless provocation of hazel...Charlie knows a fair bit....why should everyone pussy foot around hazel? they tell everyone else straight...why should topics be taboo?

If you're going to talk bollocks, don't direct it at me I'm not interested.

Thanks.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kris

Truth hurts sometimes. Too bad it took Charlie to say it. If Gina had said it everyone would have loved it. Maybe if she had been more up front with everything in the beginning people wouldn't have to draw their own conclusions.

The "aggressive" card is used far too often in that house for the benefit of making others look bad.

I believe this post to be really aggressive.

[Kris]

Originally Posted by Marc

I believe this post to be really aggressive.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Marc

I believe this post to be really aggressive.

I believe what goes around comes around

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kris

Truth hurts sometimes. Too bad it took Charlie to say it. If Gina had said it everyone would have loved it. Maybe if she had been more up front with everything in the beginning people wouldn't have to draw their own conclusions.

The "aggressive" card is used far too often in that house for the benefit of making others look bad.

true

[Visage]

I don't care who is at fault, I enjoyed it, we need more fall-outs

[billy123]

I agree with johnnyuk123 he has a valid point

[rusticgal]

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

Isnt that hypocritical?...its OK for Hazel to use the word 'aggressive' about her friend instead of 'boisterous' which is better terminology when talking of your 'friend' when a little drunk....unyet you say Charlie makes indiscreet, insulting and upsettin faux pas???
Charlie does speak before she thinks but none of its intentional.... Hazel is cold and calculating and knew exactly what she was doing. I would rather a friend like Charlie than someone like Hazel....she would stab you in the back at the first opportunity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Isnt that hypocritical?...its OK for Hazel to use the word 'aggressive' about her friend instead of 'boisterous' which is better terminology when talking of your 'friend' when a little drunk....unyet you say Charlie makes indiscreet, insulting and upsettin faux pas???
Charlie does speak before she thinks but none of its intentional.... Hazel is cold and calculating and knew exactly what she was doing. I would rather a friend like Charlie than someone like Hazel....she would stab you in the back at the first opportunity.

The usual excuse used by someone who was out scoring when everyone else was learning tact and diplomacy, Charlie knows she and hazel aren't friends... they are just two women on big brother.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

why should she filter everything for the homewrecker....its been 7 weeks or whatever spit it out mun

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

why should she filter everything for the homewrecker....its been 7 weeks or whatever spit it out mun

Get some perspective, daley wrecked his own home and he failed to check it first
what is a mun?...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Get some perspective, daley wrecked his own home and he failed to check it first
what is a mun?...

your sentence makes no sense

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

I've got to say I agree with you here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

..she did accept it as frolics though and didn't think it was intentional in any way, it was what Charlie said afterwards that caused the problems and she had no right to bring Daley into it..even if she did regret saying that, once something is said and out there, you can't take it back and she has to start taking responsibility for what she says because this isn't the first time she's offended a housemate, whether drunk or sober...

...and yeah, I do think that when you're involved in something yourself, you don't necessarily see it as others on the outside do because you're too emotional at the time obviously but with both the Daley incident and this, BB intervening will have made Hazel think whether it looked totally different from the outside and question whether it was actually aggressive..I think that's very normal too..you can think you're really sure of something but then someone else will say they saw something different and you'll think wow, did it really look like that, maybe I got it wrong..

EDIT:..I also think the 'friendship' thing works both ways..why would a so called friend bring Daley into it in the first place..let's be objective...

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..she did accept it as frolics though and didn't think it was intentional in any way, it was what Charlie said afterwards that caused the problems and she had no right to bring Daley into it..even if she did regret saying that, once something is said and out there, you can't take it back and she has to start taking responsibility for what she says because this isn't the first time she's offended a housemate, whether drunk or sober...

...and yeah, I do think that when you're involved in something yourself, you don't necessarily see it as others on the outside do because you're too emotional at the time obviously but with both the Daley incident and this, BB intervening will have made Hazel think whether it looked totally different from the outside and question whether it was actually aggressive..I think that's very normal too..you can think you're really sure of something but then someone else will say they saw something different and you'll think wow, did it really look like that, maybe I got it wrong..

EDIT:..I also think the 'friendship' thing works both ways..why would a so called friend bring Daley into it in the first place..let's be objective...

It's actually a sign of maturity to be able to look back on a situation and admit that you were wrong.ie.Hazel using the word aggressive.When she was told she was wrong she accepted it,and didn't argue on in a dogmatic way. Some people seem to think that this was because she was " caught out",but I think it was a case of mature reflection,and also a mix-up over when and where the word was used!?!
Unfortunately,there is very little mature reflection going on here among certain commentators! Preconceived opinions are leading to knee-jerk reactions,and as usual Hazel cops the flak!?!

[Daffodil]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

High 5 and Amen to that! Agree with it all

[Calderyon]

Both were in the wrong, Hazel should not have said "a bit aggressive" thing and Charlie should not have said they "Now i know how Daley feels"/"It´s a little bit like the Daley thing".

Charlie did make it worse though, with all the overreacting. Should have left it for next day, as it was clear that she ´wasn´t in her right mind in that moment.

So i am on Hazel´s side on this one.