[Brother Leon]

It's hypocrisy more than anything. Luisa can't say Dappy thinks men and women aren't equal and get in a row over it and then say stuff like a man should do the eating task or "why are you talking to me like this? I am a woman"

Hypocrisy more than Sexism I think.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

That's true. Good point.

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

Very true.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

Stop making assumptions of the forum which aren't true. Liz would say those comments to anyone, she's made loads of other remarks like that and we know she's not being serious, it's just a part of her personality and part of her appeal. If Ollie said that noone would take it seriously either. So cut the sexism bs. The only uproar I see happening is if Jim said it but that's only cause of his past NOTHING to do with the fact that he's a man. Now please let go of those straws

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Stop making assumptions of the forum which aren't true. Liz would say those comments to anyone, she's made loads of other remarks like that and we know she's not being serious, it's just a part of her personality and part of her appeal. If Ollie said that noone would take it seriously either. So cut the sexism bs. The only uproar I see happening is if Jim said it but that's only cause of his past NOTHING to do with the fact that he's a man. Now please let go of those straws

If Casey said she punched a horse and Jim said he would punch Casey if she punched his horse.... I can assure you there would have been furore on here... And you Salman would have been one of the first on here...it may be an assumption but many would agree.....and if you don't you are in denial.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Well put, Brother Leon. I'm glad noone disagrees with you.

embarassing attempt at trolling

Originally Posted by rusticgal

If Casey said she punched a horse and Jim said he would punch Casey if she punched his horse.... I can assure you there would have been furore on here... And you Salman would have been one of the first on here...it may be an assumption but many would agree.....and if you don't you are in denial.

Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Salman!

embarassing attempt at trolling



Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

I quite enjoyed it, tbh. It was more a case of me highlighting the childishness of your "why is noone listening to me" post, especially when all you are doing is repeating a hollow argument with no acknowledgment of the sensible observations of fellow posters. I think Brother Leon got it right by skipping over your post and I may try this from now on.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Salman!

embarassing attempt at trolling



Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

This is a forum Salman....it's a debate and a good discussion at that. You can't tell people to stop just because you don't like/agree with their opinion.
Go to another thread or press the OFF button on your device.

[Jack_]

I understand what you're saying and I think it's important to make a distinction here actually, what Liz said isn't the kind of blatant and knowing sexism where you think and truly believe the unequal views that you're saying - it's casual sexism (and this exists a hell of a lot against women) - ideas, beliefs, traditions (like you said) that exist in our every day lives that nobody really thinks about properly and we're all brought up to act that way, but all of which are, well...sexist in nature. To distinguish certain behaviours and actions as only acceptable to either men or women is unequal and that's sexism, not willing and knowing sexism yes but it's still sexist

And no of course it's not as important on that I definitely agree, there aren't enough women in politics and there's a sh*t load of revolting societal beliefs about the way in which women should behave that don't apply to men (some of which have been raised this series) amongst many other issues - like I said I'm not one of these people that cries misandry whenever feminist ideas are raised, but there are still distinctions made between male and female behaviour and the concepts of both masculinity and femininity are ones which really do need to be eradicated as soon as possible

[Jake.]

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

Luisa just hates Jim. When he puts himself out there she criticises him for being a martyr, when he doesn't she berates him for not stepping up. Luisa's and Linda's statements will inspire less discussion if it is acknowledged that they are not being critical of Jim's actions, they are just being critical of Jim.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

Why did she mention Ollie as well then?

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Josy

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss

I agree 100%. I cannot understand people having double standards. I just cringe at the vindictive diatribes which Linda spews and I think it's unacceptable for any person to behave like that towards any other person of either sex.

[Brother Leon]

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

No it isn't, why did you completely just ignore my post? If Evander said it would come across as a bit more violent but that's because OF HIS PERSONALITY. If there was a really big, tough woman with a similar personality it would be the same case

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

Well put, Brother Leon. I'm glad noone disagrees with you.

[Haylei]

Okay, I know that I'm probably going to get lambasted for saying this but: I don't really think that reverse sexism is a legitimate thing. I know that it may not sound fair, and it's really not, but that's just how things go.

It's basically like how saying derogatory things to white people isn't racism. I remember seeing a bunch of flyers in my old college for clubs that are specifically about one race and only allow that one race in, for just about every race except for one. If there was a club solely for white people then everyone in it would probably be deemed as racist and compared to the KKK. Is it fair? No.

The thing is though that white (men) people have never been oppressed whilst every other race has, just like how (white) men have never been oppressed like women have. Women and other races besides Caucasian are still trying to be treated as equals, and until everyone is equal can there truly be such a thing as reverse sexism and racism against whites.

I know that this is not fair, but the world is not fair. Or maybe I'm just bitter because I had to listen to 3 or 4 guys making kitchen jokes to me in one of my classes senior year for the whole year.

Edit: actually I think I'm going to have to take that back. I forgot that this was a forum with mainly British people on it and my views are based on the US. And yeah, I don't really know much about British history or the lifestyle there in general so my views are probably wrong. My bad.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Well as I said to Jack there was no intention to be sexist, it's this country's values. If their comments were sexist then it's in a really really really indirect way so you can't put that label on them.

Originally Posted by Jack_

I understand what you're saying and I think it's important to make a distinction here actually, what Liz said isn't the kind of blatant and knowing sexism where you think and truly believe the unequal views that you're saying - it's casual sexism (and this exists a hell of a lot against women) - ideas, beliefs, traditions (like you said) that exist in our every day lives that nobody really thinks about properly and we're all brought up to act that way, but all of which are, well...sexist in nature. To distinguish certain behaviours and actions as only acceptable to either men or women is unequal and that's sexism, not willing and knowing sexism yes but it's still sexist

And no of course it's not as important on that I definitely agree, there aren't enough women in politics and there's a sh*t load of revolting societal beliefs about the way in which women should behave that don't apply to men (some of which have been raised this series) amongst many other issues - like I said I'm not one of these people that cries misandry whenever feminist ideas are raised, but there are still distinctions made between male and female behaviour and the concepts of both masculinity and femininity are ones which really do need to be eradicated as soon as possible

..I agree with Jack, there may not have been any intent to be sexist but that doesn't make it 'not sexism' because it is...I think the thing is about 'intent' is if it's used as a reason/excuse etc, it starts to become complicated because it's a lot of people's thoughts that Jim is a 'product of his time/era..'...so there's no intent there either, yet he's still often sexist....but also if we're going to excuse that he 'can't help it..' in that it's just how it was when he was younger...then we have to start allowing 'excuses' for other people as well...yeah, complicated...I think that to a degree, there is often sexism in BB, which isn't always picked up on but for me it's only when it's quite blatent, that it really bothers me and the main part of that for BB in general and other series..is how females do get criticised more/called more derogatory names etc for being sexual behaviour than males....

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Josy

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

[Semtex]

Louisa will just say any old rubbish, she has no emotional intelligence and would argue that the sky is green if she thought it gave her an advantage over someone.
I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw Linda.
Convenient suffrage purveyor.
Good value housemate though.

[Kizzy]

No it wasn't, sexism is an attitude and a set of core values that defines one sex as superior to another...
Luisas one remark relating to a task that she felt that ollie or jim would be better suited at is not an indicator that she believes in a sexist ideology.

I think there is positive and negative sexism, chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour can be seen as 'positive sexism' which is cultural, and misogyny 'negative' which is personal.

[Cherie]

Why would the men be better suited to an eating task than the women though?

[Kizzy]

Hey don't start tarring me with that sexist brush..... I didn't say 'the men' I said ollie or jim, if luisa was there I would have said her too as she's very determined.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah i noticed too.It's all bollocks,Apparently sexism can only work one way in some femenists eyes.Luisa just wants things to be 'more equal' for women.Plus Linda is a bitch anyway,I think she was well suited to the task.