[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't think they're the 'miracle' alternative to smoking either, as yet the long term effects are unknown.
I'm wary too that they're seen as trendy, Leeds hipsters love their new 'accessory' anyway from what I've seen.

'Other papers concentrate on the social effects of introducing a highly addictive drug to a new audience. The Journal of Adolescent Health identified e-cigarette ad campaigns that disproportionately appeal to a younger market, including "celebrity endorsements, trendy/fashionable imagery, and fruit, candy, and alcohol flavors".

A comparison can be drawn with alcopops, and there are concerns that awareness of e-cigarettes is far greater among adolescents than among the general population. Instead of being an opportunity for current smokers to step down to something less harmful, they could be a gateway into smoking for young people who would not otherwise try cigarettes.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...haling-unknown

"they could be a gateway into smoking for young people who would not otherwise try cigarettes."

or they could not


Its pointless making assumptions about things like this unless you have hard evidence to support it.

They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"..............again - lets see any evidence to support this

You're right, I don't think any evidence exists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"they could be a gateway into smoking for young people who would not otherwise try cigarettes."

or they could not


Its pointless making assumptions about things like this unless you have hard evidence to support it.

They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this

Is it only you allowed to make assumptions then? That article is from last year so this is hardly new info that the youth are the ones who have taken to ecigs. Is it due to tax, the cigarette industry trying to instill fear that these are as corruptive, or is medical evidence mounting that suggests the health benefits are not as great as first thought?

I'm a firm believer in 'if something looks too good to be true it is' so I say it's a mix of all three, but like you say the evidence atm is 'anecdotal'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it only you allowed to make assumptions then? That article is from last year so this is hardly new info that the youth are the ones who have taken to ecigs. Is it due to tax, the cigarette industry trying to instill fear that these are as corruptive, or is medical evidence mounting that suggests the health benefits are not as great as first thought?

I'm a firm believer in 'if something looks too good to be true it is' so I say it's a mix of all three, but like you say the evidence atm is 'anecdotal'.

"They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this"

no i made an assumption but then asked for evidence to show it can work both ways

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this"

no i made an assumption but then asked for evidence to show it can work both ways

There is evidence but you've dismissed it as 'anecdotal', how many studies over what period of time do you want?

One issue not raised is waste, what is the waste product of ecigs,
cig butts are a problem but how do you dispose of dead ecig cartridges and what chemicals do they contain that will end up in landfill?

[the truth]

the welsh government are atalinists, they want to control everything with little evidence to support their decisions.....theyhate the nasty english media for daring to ask difficult questions and exposing the endless nhs cover ups in wales too.....the welsh government recently stopped ann clwyd from speaking at their cardiff bay chamber. shame on them. IF they care about health that much theyd welcome open press , difficult questions and transparency to improve the nhs disasters

[smeagol]

i would rather kids smoke e cigs than real ones. i dont think you can get addicted to e cigs its nowhere near as potent as real ones. but thats just my view on that.

as for people smoking e cigs in public places will entice others to smoke. well we have been smoking in public since time began . whats worst someone smoking a e cig in public or some lard arse scoffing a burger in public. i know which one is more harmful and its not the cig even a real one.

[the truth]

there is no tobacco in ecigs which is the main harmful ingredient so clearly its infinitely preferrable. as for the smoke I agree Ive not noticed any stinky smoke and it contains no tobacco either. welsh government was wrong on this one imo