[Marsh.]

I don't need to watch it back. I watched it and came to my conclusion.

[Yaki da]

I can't bear to post on Digital Spy. But there's a thread there with people arguing that Kimberly/Helen haven't been exposed by Ashleigh during the Q & A with the dead in the latest video because you can debate the definition of "bitching"

The problem for them is that they are leaving out that Ashleigh asked if they were "Bitching/gossiping" about her and Danielle in the toilet. Which we all know they were.

[Marsh.]

Also, it wasn't about Ashleigh being unafraid to stand up to Helen, it was entirely down to Helen not fighting her corner. As she said in the diary room, after her constant warnings and talks from BB. She's wary about starting an argument.

Ash faces eviction.... Because BB put him on the block.
Ashleigh avoided an argument..... Because Helen is on thin ice with BB.
Ashleigh wanted Matthew saved..... But settled on Marlon just to spite Helen.

What a master manipulator.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't need to watch it back. I watched it and came to my conclusion.

Your mistaken conclusion.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Easily the strongest woman in there, she outfoxed Helen and the others, she got her way to put Aah up for eviction when at the start of the girl power thing was unlikely, and she has confronted the others and won the day.

Don't you mean queen bitch videostar. Cant stand her. And I liked her at the start. She looked so pretty now she has a constant scowl on her face and I am sick of hearing how she 'manipulated' the others. Nobody would manipulate Kim or Jale. She might be able to get Danielle on side alright. Fed up with her but hopefully her day will come soon and she will be up those stairs

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How did she outfox her?

Ash was always going to be lowdown on the list to be saved because he's not all that close to three out of five.

Hardly Dr Evil is she?

EXACTLY

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Your mistaken conclusion.

Probably seems that way when you watch as a fan of a housemate and just want to see things in their favour.

Watching as a fan of none of them, it was pretty clear cut what happened.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, it wasn't about Ashleigh being unafraid to stand up to Helen, it was entirely down to Helen not fighting her corner. As she said in the diary room, after her constant warnings and talks from BB. She's wary about starting an argument.

Ash faces eviction.... Because BB put him on the block.
Ashleigh avoided an argument..... Because Helen is on thin ice with BB.
Ashleigh wanted Matthew saved..... But settled on Marlon just to spite Helen.

What a master manipulator.

Helen said that after the power noms as an excuse for not standing up to Ashleigh and saving Ash.
Ashleigh wouldn't have known that Helen was going to say that but was still unafraid of her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Helen said that after the power noms as an excuse for not standing up to Ashleigh and saving Ash.
Ashleigh wouldn't have known that Helen was going to say that but was still unafraid of her.

So unafraid.... She did what?

Decided to agree with Jale and Kim to save someone she hated? OK.

You're saying it was normal for Helen to not kick off? She was rendered silent by Ashleigh?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So unafraid.... She did what?

Decided to agree with Jale and Kim to save someone she hated? OK.

You really need to pay attention when watching BB.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

You really need to pay attention when watching BB.

Why don't you discuss the topic instead of repeatedly telling me to watch?

Ashleigh's plan was to save Matthew. She buckled and saved Marlon, who she can't stand.

What an amazing skill of manipulation she has.

All five agreed on Chris. Neither of the remaining two spots would ever have gone to Ash.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why don't you discuss the topic instead of repeatedly telling me to watch?

Ashleigh's plan was to save Matthew. She buckled and saved Marlon, who she can't stand.

What an amazing skill of manipulation she has.

All five agreed on Chris. Neither of the remaining two spots would ever have gone to Ash.

Ashleigh set the whole thing up from the moment she knew they would be saving the boys. She didn't buckle and save Marlon, she was talking about saving Marlon on Monday nights episode instead of Matthew because she knew that way she could get Ash up. On tonight's episode she didn't even consider Matthew, she kept pushing for Marlon.
Throughout the whole 'who to save' scenario from beginning to end, she has been flawless in her execution of her plan. If you did happen to re watch it, you might just let yourself be impressed.

[Marsh.]

Of course she did.

Her plan was so successful she sat miserable as sin in the bedroom and didn't like that Ash was relatively unbothered and pointed out that BB put them up for eviction rather than them

[Jords]

The way she sat around that table, leading the debate and being very confident with decisions... Really brilliant on her behalf.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course she did.

Very intelligent response.

[Marsh.]

Sorry, I didn't realise I must pass an intelligence test to discuss BB.

I also have half a post you've ignored.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course she did.

Her plan was so successful she sat miserable as sin in the bedroom and didn't like that Ash was relatively unbothered and pointed out that BB put them up for eviction rather than them

Ash is thick. BB put the boys up for eviction yes, but the girls CHOSE who was up, BB had nothing to do with that.
Ash is bothered alright - you're not falling for his nicey nicey act are you?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, I didn't realise I must pass an intelligence test to discuss BB.

I also have half a post you've ignored.

You didn't when I quoted before you edited and added....but see above ^^^

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Ash is thick. BB put 3 boys up for eviction yes, but the girls CHOSE who was up, BB had nothing to do with that.
Ash is bothered alright - you're not falling for his nicey nicey act are you?

No, BB put all the boys up, the girls were saving three. Ash was never going to fall within the three to be saved, especially after all five settled on Chris.

Whether Ash is bothered or not is irrelevant. The point is Ashleigh was hoping for a meltdown and was clearly peed off she didn't get one. She also wanted Matthew saved, Marlon was instead.

= miserable Ashleigh wallowing in the bedroom with her only friend.

[Achilles]

Some people are praising Ashleigh without actually understanding her plan. The plan was not to put Ash up for eviction, the plan was to make sure Marlon was NOT up for eviction, so Ash would definitely be evicted.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Some people are praising Ashleigh without actually understanding her plan. The plan was not to put Ash up for eviction, the plan was to make sure Marlon was NOT up for eviction, so Ash would definitely be evicted.

Yepp that was also part of it and Steven although he was used more as a compromise 'you pick one we'll pick one (Chris)'. Mind you thinking about it Ashleigh and Danielle also voiced their so-called 'support' in choosing Steven to ensure they didnt end up deciding upon Ash.

It was really great.

[Marsh.]

Chris was picked by all five though. He was never on their radar until his speech and they all cried and said it made them re-evaluate.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, BB put all the boys up, the girls were saving three. Ash was never going to fall within the three to be saved, especially after all five settled on Chris.

Whether Ash is bothered or not is irrelevant. The point is Ashleigh was hoping for a meltdown and was clearly peed off she didn't get one. She also wanted Matthew saved, Marlon was instead.

= miserable Ashleigh wallowing in the bedroom with her only friend.

Saying the same thing over and over isn't going to change the facts which actually appeared on the TV screen....
She succeeded in outwitting Helen and getting Ash up, she took control all along the line and she was clearly in control of the whole proceedings tonight. I don't care how miserable she is, she isn't a particular fave of mine.
I'm just delighted Ash is up and Helen is miserable too.

I'm off to bed - Goodnight and take care.

[erinp5]

Interesting clip

Youtube video

[Marsh.]

At least I'm backing up what I'm saying with actual substance rather than "I'm right you're wrong".

Try the less rude approach in your next debate. Night love.