[Achilles]

They've twisted and turned so much series I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

They might actually want her evicted midweek so they can have a big interview with her by herself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

And I am far from surprised you think that.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Achilles

They've twisted and turned so much series I don't think is much of an issue if they adjust pass to the final to become pass to the final week, VTW.

They might actually want her evicted midweek so they can have a big interview with her by herself.

If it's Vote to Save then I can't see her going. It would be Ash probably.

[Johnnyuk123]

The final twist will be that Tamara is announced the winner for being the first voted out.

[Jack_]

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. Regardless of when the vote opens, the finalists are all those left inside the house on the very last day.

Her pass guaranteed her to stay right until the end.

No, it guaranteed she was a finalist. And the finalist is anyone involved in the final vote.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final. The show where Emma evicts everyone from the house and crowns a winner. The same show that happens on the last day of every series ever. Remember that? It's called the final, and that's what Helen has a pass to. Not the final week, or the final 'line up' (which by the way is all of the people present on the last day, if you're evicted before the final you aren't a finalist)...the actual final.

So can people drop the act of pretending they don't know what a pass to the final means because they're desperate to have her leave before the end. You just know if that pass had gone to a dullard we wouldn't be having this ridiculous discussion which only has one answer to it.

Excellent summing up again Jack_

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Big Brother finalists are housemates that are present in the house on the very last day during the final show...yes that's right...the actual final. The last show. The Final.

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, Big Brother finalists are those involved in the final vote. Which helen would be.

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No they are not, finalists are those who are there in the BIG BROTHER FINAL. You know that live show that's listed like that on TV guides on the last day of each series? Yeah that's right it's called the final, and that's where the pass takes her. If you don't make the final show, you are NOT a finalist. You are an evictee.

If you go out first as part of a vote to win out of a final lineup, you are a finalist regardless of whether there were 12 of you or 3 of you.

As I've already said, had this pass gone to a dullard (thank God it didn't) we wouldn't be having this discussion and none of the people crying all series for her to leave before the final would have cared.

What people are concerned about is that they will not open the vote to win on Friday and have some ridiculous eviction again that leads to a popular HM who might have won being evicted.

[VanessaFeltz.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_15_(UK) Look at this: Helen, Ashleigh and Ash are finalist

[joeysteele]

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Pardon, the Snooker final only has 2 people in it from the Saturday to the Monday and they are both obviously there until the end of Monday night when one wins and the other is a runner up.
I don't get your point as to that one I'm afraid.

The snooker final is divided up into sessions. There is a final session, but sometimes one player has already beaten the other before they get to it. Think of final night as the final session.

Except that as a final, the people really in the final should be there until the very end.

No, they should be finalists and that's it. If they go out before the very last night, that doesn't mean they weren't part of the final vote.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Yeah that's how I took it. If on Friday they said 'you are all finalists' it means THEY ARE ALL IN THE FINAL. They said she had a pass to the final and was a finalist, not a pass to the final night (I think). If everyone is a finalist then they are all on equal grounds and therefore she shouldn't get more specialist treatment. If they don't say they are all finalists then they can get away with it.

Either way, I agree that Ash would be first out in VTE (assuming Pav goes tomorrow)

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Depends what you regard the final to be. The World Snooker Final starts on a Saturday and generally ends on a Monday night. Some people have won with a session to spare however. It doesn't mean the other person wasn't a finalist because he didn't get to the last session to be played.

Helen is a finalist the moment the vote to win opens. I don't recall them saying anything other than her being a "finalist". As long as she's part of the final vote to win then she was.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event. Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night.

They can be. And they would still be finalists because the final is about the vote to win.

Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

They would be going out because of a final vote to win and they came bottom. They were still finalists.

Actually the World Snooker Final begins on a Sunday but this is a totally useless comparison. The snooker final is a two day event, the Big Brother final is a one night event.

That's absurd. The Big Brother final begins the moment the Vote to win begins. It is the culmination of the voting. Obviously.

Not a weeks long, there isn't live shows every night. It's one night. At the end of the series. Of every series. That's one thing that doesn't change. If you don't make the final night, you aren't a finalist. This isn't even up for discussion, you all know full well what a finalist is and you're just pretending you don't because you're desperate for her to leave somehow before the final show.

The Big Brother final crowns a winner after days of voting. The final therefore begins when the voting to win begins.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah if they said they're all finalists...they are all finalists and aren't being evicted until...you guessed it...the final night. Which is the final. If they're planning to have a midweek eviction then telling them they're all finalists is a deliberate lie to give them a false sense of security, and I don't actually recall them ever having done that. Usually they tell them they're finalists when there's going to be no more evictions.

My only issue with it is if they call them finalists and it's not the final vote. To me, the final vote is the final and all finalists are involved. It doesn't make sense otherwise. If they say 'there is one more vote before the final' then that's legit. I don't care whether the final is the final week or the final vote or the final night but everyone who is a FINALIST needs to be on the same equal grounds.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The pass when given was not a pass to just be a finalist, it was a 'free pass to the final'.
That is what was said,it means Helen is one of the finalists left 'on the final day' of the series.

To be gone any earlier would mean it was not a pass to the final at all.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

[Josy]

I'm guessing vote to win lines will open and the one with the least votes gets evicted mid week maybe?

Obviously not including Helen because I think she will be there right up til final night because of the pass?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A finalist is a housemate still in the house on the final day. Hence the word "final".

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nah, I think a finalist is those who are eligible to be in the Vote to Win, it wouldn't really be fair otherwise imo

It's not about what you think. It's about facts lady.

A finalist is there to the last night of the show.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think? I would have thought it meant she was just a finalist and eligible to be voted for once the Vote to Win lines open, how else would that work?

It isn't a free pass to be a finalist though Niamh, it was a free pass to the final.

I cannot recall what happened the week after when Luke S and Conor had the chance of one getting money and the other a pass to the final.

However the outcome was that Luke S. got the pass to the final and was there right until the final night's results.
After very narrowly escaping going out the week before they did the pass to the final for one and money for the other.