[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Jale isn't "everyone" my dear.

Pauline, Ash, Kim, Stephen, Zoe, Biannca, Tamara, Marlon. They weren't scared of her.

I didn't say "everyone" so kind of silly to put that in quotation marks, but yes I'll agree not all of those people were friends with her through fear. But I really believe that Kim and Tamara both took the role of submissive sidekick to Helen. You could argue that fear is a strong word, but I think it plays a role. A few hms have also brought this up iirc.

Further, I wouldn't say they're just friends with Helen through fear, but behave in certain ways because of it. Lots of people have agreed that Ash was up her arse for ages and would never ever admit she'd done wrong. I think Pav nominated Winston instead of Ash face to face because of fear of her reaction.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

It isn't ridiculous or silly so please don't say that. Plenty of people remain in friendships and relationships through fear, or behave in certain ways simply to appease a stronger character. I haven't long since left school, where some friendship group hierarchies are built around a dominant character who other people are scared of.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

She has totally ostracised herself deliberately, and why does an 18 year old girl think everything thats fun is 'immature'.................she should be joining in when they break open a door and run in the camera runs, she should be first in the queue to play pranks or jump in the pool or just have a laugh

she's too busy pulling a nasty face or slating everyone else in the house to have any fun, and constantly harping on about wanting to go home.....

when she's says in the DR that she's having fun.I think "well tell your face for f.ck sake"

I think she is 18 but acting like an 80 year old, she needs to get a grip and have a life

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

She has totally ostracised herself deliberately, and why does an 18 year old girl think everything thats fun is 'immature'.................she should be joining in when they break open a door and run in the camera runs, she should be first in the queue to play pranks or jump in the pool or just have a laugh

she's too busy pulling a nasty face or slating everyone else in the house to have any fun, and constantly harping on about wanting to go home.....

when she's says in the DR that she's having fun.I think "well tell your face for f.ck sake"

I think she is 18 but acting like an 80 year old, she needs to get a grip and have a life

Great post Miranda and I agree with all Daniel said in the op too.

She is amazingly downbeat for an 18 year old and has contributed in my view as much to divides in t e house as anyone else.

[Brother Leon]

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

most of Helens arguments are funny though, I didnt like the one with Danielle, cause I didnt like Helen then but now she cracks me up when she starts ranting, and when Ash starts taking the piss out of her while she's ranting and it makes her smile and immediately calms her down and makes her see it for what it is...................Ash is a sweetheart

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Of course she does. The Divide is mostly down to her imo. Helen gets the blame for being the more aggressive though obviously.

helens guilty end of

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by LukeB

helens guilty end of

you should get that printed on a t shirt for all the good it will do ya lol

[AarynGriesfan]

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

No, the point of the forum is to continue the debate as much as we like.

It wasn't a real court of law, you know.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

By Judy James of all people!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Helen has been ruled to be the one that caused the divide so this whole thread is pointless.

Yeah, Judi James' bias is fact and no one else can possibly be right.

[ruiphillips]

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Since when is Chris positive?

This is the guy who constantly bitches about everyone in the diary room, complains he doesn't want to be there and took the 15k for himself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Since when is Chris positive?

This is the guy who constantly bitches about everyone in the diary room, complains he doesn't want to be there and took the 15k for himself.

Exactly. He's been negative from the start.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Exactly. Helen and the nasty gang all like each other because they are nasty. Nasty people stick together

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Exactly. Helen and the nasty gang all like each other because they are nasty. Nasty people stick together

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

Steven's relentless battering of Chris now that he's been evicted, even in a task about Helen and Ashleigh, is pretty nasty

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Steven's relentless battering of Chris now that he's been evicted, even in a task about Helen and Ashleigh, is pretty nasty

How was it? he said the truth and nothing but. It was also as part of a task.

Are you denying Chris and Ashleigh sit on their beds slagging people off? like seriously?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

Everyone in there is nasty, except Saint Ashleigh.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Everyone in there is nasty, except Saint Ashleigh.

Opps silly me I forgot the dun shines out of her arse.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

when was Steven nasty?

Is that a serious question? If so, refer to today's highlights for starters

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Is that a serious question? If so, refer to today's highlights for starters

That was part of a task and what did he say that was nasty? it was all true and that's why you don't like it.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

steven got voted out

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LukeB

steven got voted out

Irrelevant but nice try at baiting me

[Josy]

She does create divides and secludes herself yeah, she has isolated herself from very early on in the series, which she admitted to herself during that court task but I see they conveniently left that out of the highlights.

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Ashleigh only created a divide because she didn't want to associate with someone vile like Helen. But, instead surround herself with positive people like Christoper and Chris.

Like Danielle? because her and Ashleigh were nowhere near being 'positive people' when they were together in the pod bitching about everyone else with faces like thunder.