[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes many Labour MPs do back, most of England does. I don't know if people are misunderstanding but the main argument is purely that Scottish MPs should not vote on issues which exclusively concern England, not ban them altogether

The whole issue was coined by a Labour MP and a Scottish one at that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Lothian_question

Yes that was first view

[Kizzy]

I was aware it was for matters concerning England only, and I say it won't work.

'And the political ramifications would make it unworkable. Imagine that Labour wins the next general election with a small overall majority. Inevitably, that majority will include a large proportion of MPs from Scotland and Wales. Labour would have enough votes to pass legislation on reserved matters affecting the whole of the UK. But if it wanted to reform health provision or education in England, a Labour government would probably not be able to command a majority of English MPs.'

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/...ish-votes-laws

[arista]

"I say it won't work. "

Sure but to be fair
we do not know the full new plan.

Ed, this afternoon,
has refused to talk about
English Home Rule
to a reporter,
typical of him.


Ref : SkyNewsHD

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"I say it won't work. "

Sure but to be fair
we do not know the full new plan.

Ed, this afternoon,
has refused to talk about
English Home Rule
to a reporter,
typical of him.


Ref : SkyNewsHD

Was it fat fararri? I don't blame Ed then, there needs to be debate and consultation... Not rushing about making nonsensical statements like devisive dave.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was it fat fararri? I don't blame him, there needs to be debate and consultation... Not rushing about making nonsensical statements like devisive dave.

No SkyNews Political reporter
John Craig

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No SkyNews Political reporter
John Craig

What's the damn rush...It very important, why would he want to be on telly flapping his gums and not meeting his ministers?
That's the problem, we put far to much faith in those who throw out soundbites and not enough in those actually doing what a cabinet is meant to do and debate the issues before putting a solution forward.

[arista]

Ed
should say he will be talking about it in a few days
after the Labour Conf. is done
No refuse to debate it.


I hope Top Political reporter
of Ch4HD News Michael Crick (was at newsnight)
gets to some Labour MPs that are not chicken
for tonights and tomorrows Ch4HD News



this was Crick getting a Wack on the Head
that went Worldwide

[joeysteele]

I see the point of English matters be decided by English MPs but England has many regions wherein different needs and other issues apply.

Removing say Scottish votes from voting on an English issue,leaves the North west,North and North East likely being dictated to by the 'we are alright jack, you get on with things' attitude from the far South.

I was born in Worcestershire, it is where my Parents home is still, even there I wouldn't want the far South,with most of their extreme thinking MPs, dictating what even the Midlands would have to have as policy.

A good time set for and consulting debate is needed to answer this although I myself would prefer the replacement of Councils for regions with new elected bodies, which would be given devolved powers as to English matters, as Wales and Scotland have as to their needs.

It is bad enough we get a party elected to govt. that has virtually no representation in Scotland, no MPs in major cities such as Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle just to name 3,that will then be having the whole of England as to English matters relying on the votes of those extreme and affluent MPs from the far South as a majority.

Regionally devolved power yes,I would go for that.
A South led enforced talking shop as to England,definitely no thank you at all as to that one and it should have nothiong whatsoever to do with the promise of more powers being transferred now to Scotland.
No linking of the 2 as they are separate issues and a great deal more of debate and consultation is needed to make the right decision as to such an important issue.
Not some wild plan hustled together in a hurry to please some MPs,no matter what party they come from.

Give the South East region a devolved power base,South west too, then extend that over the other regions of England but no more exaggerrated power for the far South of England and them dictating to the rest of the England and the UK.

Not for me at all that one.

I am sure most MP's feel the need for change from all parties but this half baked idea needs a great deal more consideration and other things looked at as to sorting this issue out too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"I say it won't work. "

Sure but to be fair
we do not know the full new plan.

Ed, this afternoon,
has refused to talk about
English Home Rule
to a reporter,
typical of him.


Ref : SkyNewsHD

Well Cameron has just brought it up again now in an attempt to hijack the promise made to Scots voters by linking it with these suggestions.
However I didn't hear him say a single thing as to that in all his speeches in Scotland or when he signed up to that promise either

had he done so, the 'no' vote may well have been a resounding 'yes'.
He stated he would have been heartbroken had Scotland left the UK,because he would have likely lost his job had they done so.

Now he has 'used' them to get a no vote, his arrogance comes back fuelled by the more extreme element sof his party.

It isn't something that should be set up or planned by any one party, this should be a concensus issue where all the main parties need to agree to,
not just him and his party.
Maybe he should ask the voters first in another referendum what they want as he is now so keen on referenda rather than push ahead with another bad judgement as to a policy.

Miliband is right not to talk about it, he will probably spell out his ideas over the coming week,when people can see and hear what he says, rather than have what he says twisted by the pathetic media we have in the UK.

[arista]

"Miliband is right not to talk about it"


He is a fool if he thinks kicking into into long grass
until after the election.

Labour MP's have come out to speak on
Englands Home Rule today
as they know the voters want it now
not when Ed says so.

Ref: BBCNews

[smudgie]

Not exactly rocket science, the English should have the same rights as the Welsh, Northern Irish and the Scottish.
No more and no less.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not exactly rocket science, the English should have the same rights as the Welsh, Northern Irish and the Scottish.
No more and no less.

Bang On Right

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Ed
should say he will be talking about it in a few days
after the Labour Conf. is done
No refuse to debate it.


I hope Top Political reporter
of Ch4HD News Michael Crick (was at newsnight)
gets to some Labour MPs that are not chicken
for tonights and tomorrows Ch4HD News



this was Crick getting a Wack on the Head
that went Worldwide

He doesn't have to do anything, he's not a performing seal at the beck and call of the media...

[joeysteele]

England should have rights too, although for decades the overwhelming majority of English MPs have dictated policies for the whole of the UK in the main.

I am happy for England to get a say in some issues affecting England, by only English representations as to same too but by devolved power to regions in England.

The best way forward is to consult and debate and then plan between all the main parties.
That should all be done as a separate issue and make sure the eventual policy is fair and right and more to the point will work too, for the good of ALL England, not just the far South of it.

Right now howver,it is the promise made to the Scots that upon voting 'no' they would get further devolved powers,to be set up right after the referendum.
nothing should be taken away and nothing should be added, just fulfil that promise first then move on later to the future planning of English issues for England only.

However for me, if we are ordering the election of MPs from Scotland and Wales on a political Party basis to Westminster then all should be equal and anything presented at that Westminster parliament must be open to all elected MPs by the people to vote on same.
Anything done in haste is likely not to be the best way forward as to anything, this issue of only England issues and how they are voted for,needs careful planning,not just shoved through on a whim.

It will and has to happen and I am sure all the main parties want it to but I hope it is a devolved power set up,not a selective process of voting at Westminster's parliament, which is the Parliament for the whole of the UK,not just part of it.

Also would I,as a voter, now trust the Conservatives to get it right on their own, no not a chance,not after the mess and disarray of a lot of their planning over the last 4 and a half years.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

That is rather rich coming from David Cameron now,it's alright however for this incompetent and deceitful PM to have conned and sold out Scotland and used it for another purpose.
This would actually mean under this plan,that it would be folly to choose a Scottish leader of one of the main parties, as under this system, he or she could not vote as to parts of it's main policies.

What a farce,what discrimination too, really Alex Salmond has resigned too early for me,over the coming months he could have great legitimate protests as to this issue now.

This however from a party that would have the DUP from Northern Ireland well and truly as part of its Govt. had they been nearer an overall majority.
Total and utter hypocrisy.

[Kizzy]

Oh for gods sake.... here we go again

Whip up 'national pride' against Labour and the Scottish, what a snake he is grrrr!
What was Alex Salmon thinking though? Some will think he's just slunk off with his tail between his legs. Was all that really for the benefit of Scotland ...or a ploy to line the pockets of the SNP the way the tories do here?

[joeysteele]

Well I am happy to learn today that 10 Downing Street has stated that the issue of the new powers for Scotland and the issue of the English for the English affair are 'not now' conditional as to each other.
That is different from what this hapless PM inferred in his speech after the referendum.

I still do not want the Westminster parliament,minus the Scots,Welsh and Irish MPs to have all the say for the whole of England,that I hope never comes.
I prefer the devolvement of power to English regions plan which Ed Miliband seems to have in mind.
I hope it is looked into carefully with all choices open.

Then if there is more than one choice seeming the logical way, or there is little chance of all main party leaders agreeing to one,then I would like to see the English voters asked in a referendum.
Do they want all of Englands policies decided by only English Elected MPs at Westminster or would they prefer devolved powers to regions across England with new elected institutions as Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have.

It has to be changed,I wholly agree with that but I agree with Ed Miliband, not with things worked out on the back of an envelope or on a ciggie packet.
I got a smile at that one.

Really, I don't know who writes David Cameron's speeches or really advises him but they really need to make sure he 'says what he means' when he says it.
Instead of off the cuff controversial statements that later need a wealth of explaining afterwards just to get back to him then doing even possibly the right thing in the end.