[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the person that called 911 called because the kid was being an asshole and waving around a fake gun intimidating people. He wasn't just playing cops and robbers with his friends, he was being a little wanna be thug intimidating people.

Maybe certain communities should stop raising wanna be thugs, that either end up being real thugs, or get killed along the way.

I didnt know this...

People are so determined these days to call out people for being racist, when they arent.

as I mentioned in the other thread, if cops were truly racist, black people would be totally ****ed.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I didnt know this...

People are so determined these days to call out people for being racist, when they arent.

as I mentioned in the other thread, if cops were truly racist, black people would be totally ****ed.

Exactly. if white people in America wanted to kill all black people, it would already be done by now.

America would look like Sweden by now if we were racist.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I didnt know this...

People are so determined these days to call out people for being racist, when they arent.

as I mentioned in the other thread, if cops were truly racist, black people would be totally ****ed.

yeah because they have it great atm

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shaun

yeah because they have it great atm

"THEY" as you put it, are all individuals with amazing opportunities in a free country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

yeah because they have it great atm

They have a black president?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

yeah because they have it great atm

well they aren't exactly helping themselves, rioting and intimidating people with fake guns.

the whole thing is being blown well out of proportion. it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad, if the people who are rioting, didn't riot...

[Marc]

Can we keep the personal attacks/assumptions out of discussions please.

[lostalex]

it's amazing how little progress we have made in 20 years...

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's amazing how little progress we have made in 20 years...

Youtube video

omg that video




that lady looks like

[lostalex]

Wow, this thread, and most others here, i really feel like... ARE YOU PEOPLE LIVING ON THE SAME PLANET THAT I AM? I cannot believe how ignorant people can be, i don't understand if they are really ignorant, or if they are just trying to manipulate things. Are most people STUPID? or are they LYING for their own purposes? i don't know.

I cant explain it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine many calls to cops the Joe Public says it may be a fake gun, how the hell is the average joe to know. The cops training will state "treat it like a real gun"

I feel sorry for the poor cops

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would imagine many calls to cops the Joe Public says it may be a fake gun, how the hell is the average joe to know. The cops training will state "treat it like a real gun"

I feel sorry for the poor cops

WOW!!!!!!!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would imagine many calls to cops the Joe Public says it may be a fake gun, how the hell is the average joe to know. The cops training will state "treat it like a real gun"

I feel sorry for the poor cops

If your post is a response to mine LT, then you should re-read mine, because the attending cops were certainly not your 'average Joe' - they were -- suposedly -- mature police officers who had undergone the most rigorous of training in dealing with just such situations as this, and being trained police officers, should have 20/20 vision, therefore should have readily identified that the 'suspect' was a child. What's more, they were armed as serving police officers with tasers as well as firearms, and should have adopted different tactics which involved immobilising the child rather than shooting to kill.

FFS one of the cops was a 10 year veteran.

And I should think - real weapon or not - the fact that there were two mature cops against a 12 year old child gave the cops a monumental advantage in deploying a disabling strategy ie; one covering with levelled firearm while approaching and the other taser-ready.

This is not the first racially motivated murder by cops in American history, and while ever there are apologists supporting these rogue bastards, it won't be the last.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and are there not black cops too?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and are there not black cops too?

WTF??? What relevance has this?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

WTF??? What relevance has this?

the constant cry that racism played a part

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the constant cry that racism played a part

I have read and seen enough examples of racially motivated crimes by police over the years to recognise when another one fits the brief.

And this is it.

I suppose you think George Jackson the 'Black Activist' was really 'gunned down' in the outer yard of Soledad Maximum Security prison by reluctant armed guards whilst he was 'trying to escape'?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have read and seen enough examples of racially motivated crimes by police over the years to recognise when another one fits the brief.

And this is it.

I suppose you think George Jackson the 'Black Activist' was really 'gunned down' in the outer yard of Soledad Maximum Security prison by reluctant armed guards whilst he was 'trying to escape'?

You think that this shooting was because the cop hated black children?

[Northern Monkey]

I can't blame the cops.Those Airsoft guns are made to look real.The cops are trained to shoot to the torso,If they shoot someone with a gun in the leg then they stand a good chance of being shot and killed.You don't wave guns around in America real or fake and if a cop has a gun pointed at you and says "put your hands in the air" or "get on the floor" you f'king do it!You DON'T reach into your pants and pull a weapon out!I am English and i know this.This kid was an American citizen,He should know this,His parents should have told him this and wtf was he doing wandering around a playground in America with a very real looking replica handgun scaring kids?There have been cases of kids getting hold of guns and killing their class mates,The risk is very real for those police.This kid or his parents or both were stupid imo.

[AnnieK]

To be honest the cops were damned if they do, damned if they don't. Had they not shot him and it had been a real gun and innocent bystanders were killed there would be outcry as to why they hadn't shot him first. As an untrained member of the public it's easy to say he should have been approached and they should have realised it was a fake etc etc etc but we have no real idea as to how the incident unfolded, just reports.

On the flip side if it were my 12 year old with a toy gun shot to death by the police I would be creating holy hell too....

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be honest the cops were damned if they do, damned if they don't. Had they not shot him and it had been a real gun and innocent bystanders were killed there would be outcry as to why they hadn't shot him first. As an untrained member of the public it's easy to say he should have been approached and they should have realised it was a fake etc etc etc but we have no real idea as to how the incident unfolded, just reports.

On the flip side if it were my 12 year old with a toy gun shot to death by the police I would be creating holy hell too....

The problem is it looked so real
it did not have any plastic orange on it

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

The problem is it looked so real
it did not have any plastic orange on it

Well done to the manufacturers for making it look so real but I still think a trained officer with 10 years experience should be able to tell the difference and even if he cant the fact that its obviously a child whos brandishing the gun should indicate that to subdue the threat did not require lethal force.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Well done to the manufacturers for making it look so real but I still think a trained officer with 10 years experience should be able to tell the difference and even if he cant the fact that its obviously a child whos brandishing the gun should indicate that the threat did not require lethal force.

you may well think that but as you have no police training, no experience in the field and a pretty obvious agenda

we can conclude that your view is at best, misguided

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you may well think that but as you have no police training, no experience in the field and a pretty obvious agenda

we can conclude that your view is at best, misguided

I have as much as you and I dont assume what the training will be but I do assume an experience officer would know the the difference and if he didnt then he'd be barely competent at best.

EDIT: Whts my agenda? What are you trying to imply?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be honest the cops were damned if they do, damned if they don't. Had they not shot him and it had been a real gun and innocent bystanders were killed there would be outcry as to why they hadn't shot him first. As an untrained member of the public it's easy to say he should have been approached and they should have realised it was a fake etc etc etc but we have no real idea as to how the incident unfolded, just reports.

On the flip side if it were my 12 year old with a toy gun shot to death by the police I would be creating holy hell too....

The point is Anniek, that they had no need to shoot this child. They had alternatives, they chose not to employ.

I understand that we do not know the full truth, but there is such a phenomena in America called 'Suicide By Police' - when a person elects to die by drawing a weapon on cops and is 'gunned down' for his troubles. I have watched a few documentaries on this subject and read other material on it, and I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears the normal strategy of the armed cops attending such people. In all cases, the 'would-be-suicide' has actually had a real weapon raised against the cops, who have their weapons trained on him. However, there has still been dialogue, with the cops repeatedly asking the 'subject' to "lower his weapon". The amount of level-headed patience exhibited by the cops has been truly remarkable. In most cases which I have seen, the situation ends with the 'subject' repeatedly refusing to comply and ultimately being 'gunned down' as he wished to be. In two instances the subjects were tasered and immobilised.

This was very clearly an option in this case, and nothing will convince me that the 12 year old child had to be executed in such a manner by two mature, fully trained cops - one a 10 year veteran.

There were alternatives.