[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This latest 'innovation is more madness, Christmas means 'Christ's' 'Mass' or 'Mass or Festival of Christ' .

There is no getting away from this - that is the true origin and literal meaning of the word Christmas.

And it's as you say above Kyle - it does not matter whether the religious meaning is observed or not, there is no need to change the tradition or Nativity Story.

What valid reason is there for this? Because it is not only offensive to all Christians, but is yet more dangerous erosion by stealth of our traditional way of life by malignant and covert parties.

This^
I am no Christian but i understand what Christmas is and it's how i've been brought up to recognise it.Although i don't necessarily believe the Nativity it is at the core of what Christmas is.To me the Nativity is as far fetched as Santa Claus but i have a big Santa on my wall just as i have a small pot Nativity scene.I have photos and memories of being a sheperd in the Nativity play.Multiculturalism does'nt mean wiping out the traditions of the host country but accepting them and respecting them just as we build Mosques and Gurdwara's in every city and accept those religious traditions.We live in a Christian country and just because we don't all believe it does'nt mean we should'nt respect it.
Imagine a large population of Europeans moving to Pakistan and trying to change the name of Ramadan or Eid,That **** would'nt fly over there and why should it here?

[Tom4784]

I imagine the CofE schools will still stick to the traditional nativity but it's not surprising to see other schools deviate from it. When I was in Primary School I hated doing the Nativity apart from one year when they changed it up a bit.

When you're made to do it every year you've got to spice it up a bit to keep the kids interested.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am amazed no school has tried to do a mock beheading take on the nativity

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I imagine the CofE schools will still stick to the traditional nativity but it's not surprising to see other schools deviate from it. When I was in Primary School I hated doing the Nativity apart from one year when they changed it up a bit.

When you're made to do it every year you've got to spice it up a bit to keep the kids interested.

Really, there doesn't seem to be the same need to spice up Halloween, kids are quite happy to dress up year on year and pretend to be the walking dead, and we know that doesn't happen either, its all down to this country's problem with Christianity, as Eyeball Paul has said we are practically falling over backwards to embrace EID and Diwali, but they too are based on stories so I really don't get why people who have no interest in it keep trying to get rid of it, I don't have any interest in EID or Diwali but am happy to let people get on with it. :idc

[Ammi]

...lots of schools don't do traditional Christmas Nativities and haven't done so for a long time..every year I mean...they just do a Christmas Production/Play which varies each time ...sometimes it is a Nativity but it could also be more just 'in the spirit of Christmas'....

[JoshBB]

Kids enjoy it, leave them be. Yes it's religious but you don't need to be a christian to celebrate christmas traditions.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...lots of schools don't do traditional Christmas Nativities and haven't done so for a long time..every year I mean...they just do a Christmas Production/Play which varies each time ...sometimes it is a Nativity but it could also be more just 'in the spirit of Christmas'....

Yeah and that's fair enough if it's by choice.But it should be a choice.If a school wants to do a modern take then that's cool but they also should be able to do a traditional Nativity if they so choose without feeling outside pressure to censor the religious content so we don't upset other religions.Our country bends over backwards to accomodate other cultures but we should'nt be forced to forget our own.Imo.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am amazed no school has tried to do a mock beheading take on the nativity

Nothing would surprise me these days.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah and that's fair enough if it's by choice.But it should be a choice.If a school wants to do a modern take then that's cool but they also should be able to do a traditional Nativity if they so choose without feeling outside pressure to censor the religious content so we don't upset other religions.Our country bends over backwards to accomodate other cultures but we should'nt be forced to forget our own.Imo.

Well put Paul.

When it comes to 'upsetting other religions', immigrant 'Cultures' or 'Creeds', I am getting very tired of having to be on the defensive as an English Christian in my own country. A country which just happens to be England, which just happens to still be a Western Christian Democracy - and always will be if I have anything to do with it.

None of the many subtle and not so subtle alterations to our democratic way of life, our customs and traditions, even our laws, over the past 60 years have happened by chance, but slowly and oh so surely, 'Englishness' if not 'Britishness' is disappearing, and it's almost as if some people are now 'ashamed' to be either.

Schools should leave Christmas Nativity plays alone or completely stop performing them and perform something which will better appease and please their School Governors, 'Power Parents' , and Local Councillors -- how about 'The Life And Times Of The Prophet Muhammad'? That should keep everybody happy.

[Marsh.]

Remove the religious figures?

Uh, they do realise what the nativity is based on, right?

I understand them doing a Christmas play/concert that isn't a nativity but it's pointless to try and "modernise" the nativity itself because it defeats the purpose.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah and that's fair enough if it's by choice.But it should be a choice.If a school wants to do a modern take then that's cool but they also should be able to do a traditional Nativity if they so choose without feeling outside pressure to censor the religious content so we don't upset other religions.Our country bends over backwards to accomodate other cultures but we should'nt be forced to forget our own.Imo.

..yeah it is totally by choice and quite often also chosen by the children themselves..(the school council..)...they're given the choice of a Nativity or an alternative and they quite often choose the alternative ..but it's always a good children's Christmas Story as well and with a mixture of traditional songs and some more current ones ...personally I think it makes it more interesting for all of us..staff/parents and children, rather than doing the same thing every year ...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Well put Paul.

When it comes to 'upsetting other religions', immigrant 'Cultures' or 'Creeds', I am getting very tired of having to be on the defensive as an English Christian in my own country. A country which just happens to be England, which just happens to still be a Western Christian Democracy - and always will be if I have anything to do with it.

None of the many subtle and not so subtle alterations to our democratic way of life, our customs and traditions, even our laws, over the past 60 years have happened by chance, but slowly and oh so surely, 'Englishness' if not 'Britishness' is disappearing, and it's almost as if some people are now 'ashamed' to be either.

Schools should leave Christmas Nativity plays alone or completely stop performing them and perform something which will better appease and please their School Governors, 'Power Parents' , and Local Councillors -- how about 'The Life And Times Of The Prophet Muhammad'? That should keep everybody happy.

Very true

[Samm]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Well put Paul.

When it comes to 'upsetting other religions', immigrant 'Cultures' or 'Creeds', I am getting very tired of having to be on the defensive as an English Christian in my own country. A country which just happens to be England, which just happens to still be a Western Christian Democracy - and always will be if I have anything to do with it.

None of the many subtle and not so subtle alterations to our democratic way of life, our customs and traditions, even our laws, over the past 60 years have happened by chance, but slowly and oh so surely, 'Englishness' if not 'Britishness' is disappearing, and it's almost as if some people are now 'ashamed' to be either.

Schools should leave Christmas Nativity plays alone or completely stop performing them and perform something which will better appease and please their School Governors, 'Power Parents' , and Local Councillors -- how about 'The Life And Times Of The Prophet Muhammad'? That should keep everybody happy.

Nobody I know cares about Christianity at xmas and stuff that much so it's not a massive deal, there shouldn't be just one religion to celebrate at xmas either, I have lit never talked about religion on here but I know a few people who celebrate xmas in a different way and your making it sound like there's only one main religion to celebrate at xmas?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Very true

all these over liberal atheists tub thumping prats are achieving is to destroy Christianity, undermine our own laws, beliefs and culture. which in turn opens the way for radical islam. these cowardly tub thumping radical liberal atheists fools will of course fail spectacularly to treat island and judaism for fear of reprisals. so not only do they believe in nothing and undermine and weaken our entire country theyre also complete and utter cowards who embolden the radical hard line bigots from the extreme religions. thus making us all even more vulnerable to the very principles these idot liberals pretend to oppose. twats

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Lily'sWeaveAngel

Nobody I know cares about Christianity at xmas and stuff that much so it's not a massive deal, there shouldn't be just one religion to celebrate at xmas either, I have lit never talked about religion on here but I know a few people who celebrate xmas in a different way and your making it sound like there's only one main religion to celebrate at xmas?

what complete and utter nonsens. Christmas is about CHRIST. not islamd or anything else. deary me liberal drivel.

[armand.kay]

My school never did a nativity play the year 5 would just do a different Christmas play every year. My year 5 group did A Christmas carol.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lily'sWeaveAngel

Nobody I know cares about Christianity at xmas and stuff that much so it's not a massive deal, there shouldn't be just one religion to celebrate at xmas either, I have lit never talked about religion on here but I know a few people who celebrate xmas in a different way and your making it sound like there's only one main religion to celebrate at xmas?

Christmas is about the birth of Jesus so the Hindu's can **** off.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Christmarsh.

Christmas is about the birth of Jesus so the Hindu's can **** off.

I fecking love you Marshy - mood or not.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

My school never did a nativity play the year 5 would just do a different Christmas play every year. My year 5 group did A Christmas carol.

Exactly - No problem with that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im just posti g to see if my name has changed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh good

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

what complete and utter nonsens. Christmas is about CHRIST. not islamd or anything else. deary me liberal drivel.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Oh good

Nuts. (love nuts at Chrimbo - all kinds)

[the truth]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

My school never did a nativity play the year 5 would just do a different Christmas play every year. My year 5 group did A Christmas carol.

no doubt your old school will be doing muhammad plays soon , or else

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by the truth

no doubt your old school will be doing muhammad plays soon , or else

No. Muslims wouldn't want their prophet to be degraded like that.