[lime]

Bullying for me also inclues isolation....telling others not to speak to a person ...nor to laugh at their jokes..is bullying....

[sampvt]

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

Oh my goodness he coughed .. lol why he did it nobody knows lol but it wasn't exaactly dragging anyone through the mud or a personal attack it was a joke that backfired..

staring is now illegal?
Your dislike of Perez is very clear and that's ok we all like different things and we don't all agree that's the great thing about the forums

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Oh my goodness he coughed .. lol why he did it nobody knows lol but it wasn't exaactly dragging anyone through the mud or a personal attack it was a joke that backfired..

staring is now illegal?
Your dislike of Perez is very clear and that's ok we all like different things and we don't all agree that's the great thing about the forums

And your defence of him is equally ridiculous. At least my version makes some sense.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by sampvt

And your defence of him is equally ridiculous. At least my version makes some sense.

hey now I didn't name call you so please show me the same courtesy

Just because you do not agree with my opinion you do not need to try and make me feel worthless!

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

hey now I didn't name call you so please show me the same courtesy

Just because you do not agree with my opinion you do not need to try and make me feel worthless!

No need to do a Perez on me, I understand you.

[lime]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is there anyone out there that thinks it is acceptable to waken a person by deliberately coughing in the middle of the night by his bed to intimidate him or goad him into an act of violence just to get him kicked out, or to blow kisses at him knowing he is a straight from the hood with old fashion views of homosexuality, or to even think it is acceptable to stare at him till he walks. Well these tactics are now very similar to what he is doing to KH and she is wrong to react...........go figure.

You see thats the problem.....nobody could intimadte me nor goad me into threating an act of violence because of some gay guy acting a p%rick........nothing....nobody.When Celebs go into this house they know they have been put into there in the hope of a collisson....if they react badly that is down to them.

[joeysteele]

I think in fact both are as bad as each other in the winding up process and ironically both have had great success in their personal lives by really being thoroughly nasty,insulting and making often unfounded degrading comments about others as a career.

I think Perez is over the top with his antics, like a real naughty and spoilt boy in his endless attempts to secure attention and be at the forefront of things,often outrageous but that is where it ends with him.
Kind of like a buzzing fly circling around you that you just can never catch.

Katie Hopkins however has crossed the line a few times,not only with Perez but in her put downs of others, like Alicia too.
Her 'threat' to clash pans over Perez's head when he was asleep was also showing a massive lack of consideration of any others in the room at the time.
While it is fine for her, she has her own room.

Secondly, her 'threat' that she may do something with the drinks beaker he has if she got her hands on it was actually an unacceptable thing to even think of saying never mind threaten to do.

Perez is way over the top but largely, (although he winds her up and that is her fault since she seems to follow him round wherever he is to get her digs in too), although over the top he may be but she is being really vindictively nasty and at times completely inappropriately.such as the fat comment last night.

So for me, if anyone is harassing another,it is more Katie Hopkins doing so rather then Perez in my view.
She is someone he intensely dislikes,as she does him too,so he has found ways to wind her up.
However her reactions are fuelling all that behaviour and her constant following him around always using his name and attempting to ridicule him in dfront of others,makes her the instigator, in my view, of a lot of the problems with them.

I would be giving her the stronger talking to more if I was BB than I would be Perez actually.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think in fact both are as bad as each other in the winding up process and ironically both have had great success in their personal lives by really being thoroughly nasty,insulting and making often unfounded degrading comments about others as a career.

I think Perez is over the top with his antics, like a real naughty and spoilt boy in his endless attempts to secure attention and be at the forefront of things,often outrageous but that is where it ends with him.
Kind of like a buzzing fly circling around you that you just can never catch.

Katie Hopkins however has crossed the line a few times,not only with Perez but in her put downs of others, like Alicia too.
Her 'threat' to clash pans over Perez's head when he was asleep was also showing a massive lack of consideration of any others in the room at the time.
While it is fine for her, she has her own room.

Secondly, her 'threat' that she may do something with the drinks beaker he has if she got her hands on it was actually an unacceptable thing to even think of saying never mind threaten to do.

Perez is way over the top but largely, (although he winds her up and that is her fault since she seems to follow him round wherever he is to get her digs in too), although over the top he may be but she is being really vindictively nasty and at times completely inappropriately.such as the fat comment last night.

So for me, if anyone is harassing another,it is more Katie Hopkins doing so rather then Perez in my view.
She is someone he intensely dislikes,as she does him too,so he has found ways to wind her up.
However her reactions are fuelling all that behaviour and her constant following him around always using his name and attempting to ridicule him in dfront of others,makes her the instigator, in my view, of a lot of the problems with them.

I would be giving her the stronger talking to more if I was BB than I would be Perez actually.

Thank you a great post
Im amazed BB hasn't called in Katie for breaking the bunny (BB property)too! All previous BB's HMs would get a stern talking to if they had done anything like that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Thank you a great post
Im amazed BB hasn't called in Katie for breaking the bunny (BB property)too! All previous BB's HMs would get a stern talking to if they had done anything like that

Yes, well done, I had overlooked that,there are so many 'more' nasty things she has said and done rather than perez just being a wind up merchant as to her.

I agree with Niamh Sue, you have made great posts on this thread, all well said and balanced.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes, well done, I had overlooked that,there are so many 'more' nasty things she has said and done rather than perez just being a wind up merchant as to her.

I agree with Niamh Sue, you have made great posts on this thread, all well said and balanced.

[sampvt]

Oh well, never mind, the public will prove me right. Time to agree to disagree, Byeeeeeeeeee

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Now I am no expert on the subject and normally I refrain from getting involved in these petty disputes, but it seems to me that Perez has discovered that he cant win by fair means, after last weeks boos, so he is resorting to unfair means which is being okeyd by BB.

Was he not significantly worse before the boos? Before the boos some of his actions were a little out there, the sex act on the window was a little disturbing, but the fact that the most he has done since the boos is stick cheese up his nose nullifies the highlighted segment of your point above. Imo anyway.

Before the boos Perez retaliated after persistent goading from Hopkins and thereafter her close friends/allies in the house. Whilst some of his actions in the house could be deemed as unacceptable, they are understandable and i have no issue with his behaviour towards Hopkins for that reason. He does not have the intelligence to compete with Hopkins on an intellectual level so he is competing by the means of irritation, and it's working.

The only clear sign of bullying in the house has been from Hopkins, the constant pursuit of Perez and the insults she has flung at him time and time again are out of order. Also, her constant need to ridicule and belittle Alicia without any provocation whatsoever is another act of bullying, do you not agree?

[Mick]

Not sure either way or case RE bullying but I feel that Kates way is more honest and direct.Perez has no spontaneity imo every single word or action is rehearsed. On the odd occasion when his planned scenario implodes his fall back is to cover his eyes with hands or sun glasses while he quickly regroups.

As a viewer I try to self case and if I was in that house I would want to hit him or at the very least make a serious threat of doing so which of course is exactly what he would wish.I think its possible that Katie still might.

What the other HMs should do is laugh at him try to find everything he does as funny. Difficult yes but I think it might work.I would love to see him complaining to BB and demanding his Lawyer because others where laughing in his face.!

[the truth]

the biggest bully of all is of course Hopkins, Id say her coven of witches michelle and cami aren't far behind