[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just one more for clarity...

I think it's a fact that we celebrate Mo as a refugee from another country who we've made part of the family. Whereas the scientists referred to are "American, you said it yourself. We have a different ethos is all. Like I said in my first post, no one's all good or all bad, just shades of grey.

so you are saying that Mo isn't "British"? you aren't being clear. The UK seemed pretty happy to get that medal added to the british talley to me...

[kirklancaster]

I an not getting embroiled in any USA V UK argument, but I will say; that for all her faults; There is not one single day that goes by that I do not literally pray to my God for America's survival and continuance as I pray for the same for the UK, because without the USA we are ****ed.

I watched the Gerard Butler film; 'Olympus Has Fallen' again the other day, and I find it disturbing and a tad alarming. God forbid it should ever happen - no matter that it has a 'good' ending.

I do not believe in any 'United States of Europe' and I do not believe that we have any friends in Europe.

I am not popular because of my views on God, Christianity and Immigration and the EU, so here's another two;

I support the USA and I support Israel and God forbid the day when either succumb.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I an not getting embroiled in any USA V UK argument, but I will say; that for all her faults; There is not one single day that goes by that I do not literally pray to my God for America's survival and continuance as I pray for the same for the UK, because without the USA we are ****ed.

I watched the Gerard Butler film; 'Olympus Has Fallen' again the other day, and I find it disturbing and a tad alarming. God forbid it should ever happen - no matter that it has a 'good' ending.

I do not believe in any 'United States of Europe' and I do not believe that we have any friends in Europe.

I am not popular because of my views on God, Christianity and Immigration and the EU, so here's another two;

I support the USA and I support Israel and God forbid the day when either succumb.

Oh - Just noticed the Mod edit and the advice to; "Stop avoiding the swearing filter" OK fair enough - Will do. Sorry.

[Glenn.]

Oh. I was about to post a Michael Jackson popcorn gif

[lostalex]

Have a great weekend, sis.

[the truth]

I think Livia calling alex a typical American is ignorant. Its a typical ignorant thing we English often say about americans and I find it embarrassing. It's nothing more than a cheap shot, the americans Ive known at least don't keep saying oh another typical English man, so in that regard they're less ignorant than us. It's also ignorant to assume all americans haven't left America. Also to put into context , America is a bigger land mass than Europe, what percentage of Europeans have been outside Europe? not a high percentage I'd expect. The main reason we travel more is because our countries are relatively tiny.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

I think Livia calling alex a typical American is ignorant. Its a typical ignorant thing we English often say about americans and I find it embarrassing. It's nothing more than a cheap shot, the americans Ive known at least don't keep saying oh another typical English man, so in that regard they're less ignorant than us. It's also ignorant to assume all americans haven't left America. Also to put into context , America is a bigger land mass than Europe, what percentage of Europeans have been outside Europe? not a high percentage I'd expect. The main reason we travel more is because our countries are relatively tiny.

Try to discuss the topic, and not me.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Try to discuss the topic, and not me.

you said something ignorant , I have every right to point that out and I did and I will continue to do so if you say something ignorant. congratulations on controlling your temper this time and not swearing at me though, well done

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

you said something ignorant , I have every right to point that out and I did and I will continue to do so if you say something ignorant. congratulations on controlling your temper this time and not swearing at me though, well done

If I replied to every ignorant post of yours I'd be on here all day. Alex can talk for himself, we're old friends. To add some context, I actually said "The fact that you really do believe that makes you a typical American. That's not a bad thing, it's good to believe in your own country".

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

If I replied to every ignorant post of yours I'd be on here all day. Alex can talk for himself, we're old friends. To add some context, I actually said "The fact that you really do believe that makes you a typical American. That's not a bad thing, it's good to believe in your own country".

This is true. i appreciate the point you are making "the truth" but Livia was not being ignorant to me, she's right we have a long history of debate and I was not offended by that. let's stick to the thread topic, which is about the role of the US IN THE WORLD.

You do make a good point about the double standard for Americans in Europe though. There is definitely a stereotype that Americans are less intelligent by nature. The fact that Americans are responsible for most of the important advances in technology, and medicine, and science in the last 80 years proves it's not true, but still, it is an ugly stereotype, and a hurtful one.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

you said something ignorant , I have every right to point that out and I did and I will continue to do so if you say something ignorant. congratulations on controlling your temper this time and not swearing at me though, well done

Truth - I really think that Livia used the word 'ignorant' in the context of its true meaning; 'not being conversant with the facts of', and did not use it in the insulting manner in which it has - wrongly - come to be used.

Some times posts which don't mention the word 'ignorant' can be the most truly ignorant and I'm sure Livia was not being insulting or ignorant at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Truth - I really think that Livia used the word 'ignorant' in the context of its true meaning; 'not being conversant with the facts of', and did not use it in the insulting manner in which it has - wrongly - come to be used.

Some times posts which don't mention the word 'ignorant' can be the most truly ignorant and I'm sure Livia was not being insulting or ignorant at all.

Thank you, Kirk. Alex and I have been conversing for a long time, we often use quite basic language... we are still friends. I mean no insult to him at all, as you seem to be aware.

[Northern Monkey]

Neither imo.Like anywhere there is some good and some bad in America.Britain is no saint either.Infact no country is perfect,Some are worse than others but i would'nt class America as one of them.

[the truth]

I stand by every word, to generalize using the term typical American is ignorant imo

[empire]

thing is, that would americans like to have artillery shell holes through there house roofs,or air strikes hitting their homes, no, but they support this in the east ukraine, they also think that there tanks will roll over the border, and take moscow, and catch the evil putin, americans think that they can police russia, but they can't, and have to live in a world that hollywood keeps this dream going.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by empire

thing is, that would americans like to have artillery shell holes through there house roofs,or air strikes hitting their homes, no, but they support this in the east ukraine, they also think that there tanks will roll over the border, and take moscow, and catch the evil putin, americans think that they can police russia, but they can't, and have to live in a world that hollywood keeps this dream going.

Agree.... Nice to have a post like this that offers a bit of balance and isn't full of undeserved platitudes about how the US is our friend and is the arbiter of truth and justice....

[lily.]

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lily.

And she obviously has also a very strong Flag.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lily.

as darkly funny as that poster is, Jesus preached against greed. which it appears that lady certainly is

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lily.

yes, let's make fun of an obese woman in a wheel chair... even though she might have been in a horrible accident that crippled her, and put on medications that have a side effect of weight gain, let's ridicule this woman, because clearly she's an asshole. and clearly she is the type of person that needs to be brought down a peg or two. hurray for picking on old fat ladies in wheelchairs!

[billy123]

Evil

[the truth]

we do give the americans a hard time , as individuals and I really do think we are being way out of order, to the point of ignorance...the line we hear fellow English men and women endlessly repeat is typical loud ignorant American...now try replacing the word American with....Irishman..African.....muslim...jew........ and suddenly it taks on different more sinister connotations...yet more double standards..people who use that anti American insult should really stop and think about that
I also agree that poster mocking the overweight disabled lady is in incredibly poor taste