[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is about education, not religion. What the mother is doing is trying to exclude her children from religion putting her kids at a disadvantage in their educational maturity. Better to let them attend, but put her own views on it as they learn.

Silly woman

I agree.

Also I have come across many people who have no religious belief at all but who can admire the architecture and indeed history of Church buildings and monasteries too.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

I'm atheist myself. I think RE needs to be thrown in with History at this point, with perhaps a politics-based class introduced instead.

I'm not sure I understand their point here though. With it being a range of religious buildings the school trips are visiting, it's not as if any one particular religion is being encouraged.

The one benefit from teaching religion is that it introduces different cultural beliefs to students and I think that's good for expanding their minds to being understanding and respectful to those cultures, and I think it could be more harmful than anything by sheltering a child from that.

..I agree with this Samuel, learning different religions is also learning different cultures which only creates understanding and leaves for less prejudice etc...one of our classes recently met up with a class in a London city school and we're a country school with mainly Christian families and pupils whereas the other school is mainly Muslim families and children and I think only positives can come from them discussing differences in school/class sizes etc and general school ethics differences and also discussing aspect of their culture with each other and from a very young age...it could be much more potentially 'damaging' for them not to have these type of visits and interactions and also that may include places of worship as well...

[kirklancaster]

To ALL Tibbies who have posted responses on here for their insight, intelligence and reasoning.

"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man"

So better to teach integration, tolerance and harmony, through education and association, than incubate racism, intolerance, and discord through segregation and ignorance.

[Brother Leon]

Stupid. Muslims still went to Church visits and Christians went the Mosque etc. Not sure why an Atheist couldn't go either.

[Crimson Dynamo]

better to teach ALL children that religion is backward and a superstitious cult fetish and move on as a humanity

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

better to teach ALL children that religion is backward and a superstitious cult fetish and move on as a humanity

But to still give them the knowledge they need to come to their own conclusions, and make their own decisions.

If they have questions, and their parents view is to pretend religion doesn't exist or that it isn't up for discussion, they will go elsewhere to find the answers, and are therefore more susceptible to brainwashing.

I've seen it happen

[Ammi]

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.


..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Ammi

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.


..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

Agreed Ammi

[Tom4784]

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

..yeah I agree that she seems doing the exact thing that she's so against...posting her comments on Facebooke etc,/her objections doesn't make me think that she's giving her children a free choice a free choice would be a neutral stance and allowing her children to have access to everything they need to make their choices and helping them with that if she felt they needed it...it's just strange thinking, not really logical...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

I'd hardly call either group "bad" if they keep their views to themselves. Most atheists aren't like this woman at all.

[Kizzy]

Dear me just because they don't go to a mosque or church they can still understand cultural and ethical diversity, I agree with the French perspective and believe the arts are a better tool for teaching than religion.

[letmein]

She's their mother; it's up to her. Nothing to see here.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Ammi

An atheist mum has stopped her children from going on school trips to churches, mosques and synagogues because she does not want religion forced on them.

Claire Baker, 32, says she believes an atheist upbringing is as much a choice as being brought up with a religion - which she does not want forced on her son and daughter.


..that doesn't really feel as though there is any choice and feels really she's doing the same thing that she objects to, which is stopping them from experiencing any choices..and forcing her decisions about religion onto them...surely they can only make choices if they're given experiences to make those choices...

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by letmein

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

Yep - Absolutely. This cretin of a mother is certainly brainwashing her child and indoctrinating it into a future of fear, hatred and intolerance fuelled by ignorance.

Ammi's post (and the others) are 1,000% correct.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

theyre worse that Christians on average. they scream and shout , at least Christians do thei preaching in their Church. The Christians also do enormous good worldwide , clothing, feeding, education millions...the missionary work of Christian churches is phenomenal and is totally ignored by the hateful atheist movemen who only concentrate on the bad stuff and ignorantly lump all religions together, when in fact theyre massively different

this woman is a hypocrite a narrow minded bigot who is forcing her kids to go for her way of looking at the world, her views, her beliefs only. that's sick. shes a worse brainwasher than the vast majority of any Christians

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by letmein

She's their mother; it's up to her. Nothing to see here.

Originally Posted by letmein

Brainwashing and indoctrination kills choice.

..yeah I agree letmein, it is her choice as a parent because there is always the option of not allowing her children to participate..but that's the thing though, she wants them to have free choices without influence etc as she sees any religious based activity or trip and yet what she is doing is in itself influencing by showing her disapproval in such strong and definite ways..in not experiencing these things then how can they make free choices...their choices at such a young age will inevitably lean toward their parents views which is fine and understandable but it reduces balance also...


..I would think also that in a non Christian school and also with the cost of the visit that at the most this would be an annual trip for that year group so it wouldn't really indoctrinate or brainwash in any way and I think that's also what she's not considering...also it's not just that one day and visit that they're missing out on...it also excludes them from the excitement/build up etc that their peers are part of and then the excitement of discussing it all afterwards..when parents exclude their children from anything at school, I'm not sure that they always consider that exclusion from other perspectives for their child as well and for their child that it's less going to in any way cause influence etc and they're not thinking of it as a 'religious trip' themselves as such but more just an exciting school visit and a more chilled time to spend with their classmates...it just feels as though it's becoming more something of more importance and more what she sees as 'negative and influence' because the parents themselves are making it so and by doing that, causing strong influences themselves...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Atheists are as bad as religious people and this woman is a hypocrite.

No I am Not


Make Every Church convert into a Gay Disco Bar.


Feel The Force

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

No I am Not


Make Every Church convert into a Gay Disco Bar.


Feel The Force

I think what Dezzy meant Arista, is that EXTREME atheists are as bad as EXTREME religious people - in which case he is correct.

But you're not extreme Arista are you?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I agree letmein, it is her choice as a parent because there is always the option of not allowing her children to participate..but that's the thing though, she wants them to have free choices without influence etc as she sees any religious based activity or trip and yet what she is doing is in itself influencing by showing her disapproval in such strong and definite ways..in not experiencing these things then how can they make free choices...their choices at such a young age will inevitably lean toward their parents views which is fine and understandable but it reduces balance also...


..I would think also that in a non Christian school and also with the cost of the visit that at the most this would be an annual trip for that year group so it wouldn't really indoctrinate or brainwash in any way and I think that's also what she's not considering...also it's not just that one day and visit that they're missing out on...it also excludes them from the excitement/build up etc that their peers are part of and then the excitement of discussing it all afterwards..when parents exclude their children from anything at school, I'm not sure that they always consider that exclusion from other perspectives for their child as well and for their child that it's less going to in any way cause influence etc and they're not thinking of it as a 'religious trip' themselves as such but more just an exciting school visit and a more chilled time to spend with their classmates...it just feels as though it's becoming more something of more importance and more what she sees as 'negative and influence' because the parents themselves are making it so and by doing that, causing strong influences themselves...

More wisdom and balance from one of my favourite posters.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think what Dezzy meant Arista, is that EXTREME atheists are as bad as EXTREME religious people - in which case he is correct.

But you're not extreme Arista are you?

no

[Kizzy]

I'm not an atheist and I don't agree with kids going to churches, what box do I tick?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not an atheist and I don't agree with kids going to churches, what box do I tick?

Kizzy you know fine well that the police told you you cannot vote again for a few years after the...ahem...election incident below..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not an atheist and I don't agree with kids going to churches, what box do I tick?

Your with me

[Kizzy]

We'll just sit in your bunker and wait for these religions to get on....Have you got enough supplies for the next millennium?