[Livia]

According to the Guardian, 82 people committed suicide in prison in 2014. The person in the article posted above (by Kizzy) says she tried to kill another inmate while she was serving her original sentence, and then tried to kill another patient by stabing him in the neck when she was under psychiatric supervision in Rampton. Not sure if her gender issues were the crux of the matter....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

According to the Guardian, 82 people committed suicide in prison in 2014. The person in the article posted above (by Kizzy) says she tried to kill another inmate while she was serving her original sentence, and then tried to kill another patient by stabing him in the neck when she was under psychiatric supervision in Rampton. Not sure if her gender issues were the crux of the matter....

So a murderer/multi-attempted murderer tops him/herself. So what? One less burden on the tax payer. I hope this starts a new trend.

[Kizzy]

'CSCs are not designed to deal with prisoners with mental health issues, but in 2011 the manager of the unit in Woodhill said many prisoners did have psychiatric problems and that incidence of self harm was high.'

[Benjamin]

To solve the problem they could, you know, not break the law in the first place. They give up their rights when they commit a crime.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by God

To solve the problem they could, you know, not break the law in the first place. They give up their rights when they commit a crime.

You lose your liberty not your humanity when you have mental health issues.... Wow, roll on the season of goodwill eh?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by God

To solve the problem they could, you know, not break the law in the first place. They give up their rights when they commit a crime.

Radical idea there, God.

I think the scale of people suffering mental problems outside prison is staggeringly high, so it's no surprise that many people who break the law suffer mental problems. The problem is that not enough non-prisoners get the help they need so it follows that the shortcomings would drip down into prison. Maybe if people with mental problems got better help there would be fewer of them in prison.

[kirklancaster]

How many social houses or new hospital beds and equipment could have been provided by all those millions which have been spent on tending to PETER SUTCLIFFE's MENTAL HEALTH problems in Broadmoor over the psast 30 odd years?

Which sane minded person gives a rat's ass whether bastard Sutcliffe and others like him howl at the moon every night or headbutt the cell walls every day of his 'life sentence'? - I ******* don't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Radical idea there, God.

I think the scale of people suffering mental problems outside prison is staggeringly high, so it's no surprise that many people who break the law suffer mental problems. The problem is that not enough non-prisoners get the help they need so it follows that the shortcomings would drip down into prison. Maybe if people with mental problems got better help there would be fewer of them in prison.

How do we know they had no mental health issues outside prior to him breaking the law, and it was the mental health issues that led to the law break?
As you say he may just be a victim of the system, as stated in the article the facility is not compatible for those with complex mental health issues.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

How do we know they had no mental health issues outside prior to him breaking the law, and it was the mental health issues that led to the law break?
As you say he may just be a victim of the system, as stated in the article the facility is not compatible for those with complex mental health issues.

I don't know that. Looking at the evidence so far it would seem to me that there is every possibility that he was failed before he became a prisoner, by the lack of mental health support outside jail. There isn't nearly enough support for people suffering mental health issues, we all know that.

My point is that the person concerned was suffering a range of mental health issues so I strongly suspect that gender issues were only a part of what drove this person to suicide.

[Vicky.]

Sorry but I don't think its a good idea to let people who say they identify with another gender be in different prisons tbh. Obviously once ops and such are done and gender is 'legally' changed (as much as it can be), fair enough. For someone who just says they do? Kinda opening up a can of worms IMO.