[user104658]

The world is truly doomed. Even iPhones are being radicalised now? I didn't know Siri had developed a level of sentient thought capable of such existential choice as Jihad, but if it truly has, and there's a growing trend of iPhones turning to Islamic Extremism, then what are we supposed to do to stop it? Boom. A bomb in every living room. Game over.

[user104658]

Not in MY house, terrorist scum!



Wife's pretty pissed off about her phone but you can't be too careful in this day and age.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am quite sure Donald McTrump would say

hack the phone and lets make America great again

he is a man of action

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am quite sure Donald McTrump would say

hack the phone and lets make America great again

he is a man of action

Yes
Changes are on the Way

Bring Him On.

[Kizzy]

I'm kind of interested in knowing what the point of 'civil liberties' is?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm kind of interested in knowing what the point of 'civil liberties' is?

Thats for Non Terrorists

[DemolitionRed]

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

And anyway, if they ban or hack into encrypted messages, terrorists will just start using steganography and there are loads of apps http://www.jjtc.com/Steganography/tools.html. So we sacrifice encryption, allowing the not so good people a back door into our data, whilst doing absolutely nothing to stop terrorists using steganography and other methods to communicate in secret.

[DemolitionRed]

So to break this down, if a family member went unexpectedly missing would you want the police to access their phone and PC or not?

The position of any mobile phone which is switched on and connected to any network (wifi or phone) as long as you know the phones SIM id then you can find it. I would recommend all parents either keep info of their childs SIM or have a 'find my phone' app connected to their phone.

You can follow the tracks of someone by using triangulation from cell towers and that will tell you where their phone has been and when.

The ridiculous thing is, even Apple can't by-pass encryption because they never built a back door in the first place. The reason a back door (hook) has never been made is because it would completely destroy all security in online banking. Presently, the most secure way of doing your banking is to do it by phone connected to a phone network and not a wifi network because the whole process has end to end encryption. Allowing and making a hook would be opening the door to every other criminal in the world.

If this is ever allowed, the banks will immediately switch off all mobile banking, they would have to. It doesn't matter what the government say in response to this nonsense, they are reliant on people not understanding how encryption works and what will happen if and when hooks fall into the wrong hands.

[DemolitionRed]

It is unclear who helped the FBI access the phone and what was stored on the device.

No its not! Its a company in Israel who specialize in this sort of stuff. The thing is, this company is so secure that America will of had to send the phone to them and the company will of sent back information that was stored on that phone. This is why its taken as long as it has.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It is unclear who helped the FBI access the phone and what was stored on the device.

No its not! Its a company in Israel who specialize in this sort of stuff. The thing is, this company is so secure that America will of had to send the phone to them and the company will of sent back information that was stored on that phone. This is why its taken as long as it has.

It does not matter who helped the FBI
it is not going public.


Thats fine

[arista]

"Finally, how would the FBI get hold of the phone before the attack happens? "

My point is If they did
you say do not unlock it.

[DemolitionRed]

The problem with uranium is, its disproportionately heavy for its volume and so transporting any quantity is difficult and because uranium is highly radio active, it has to be packed in lead which is also incredibly heavy. You'd have trouble picking up your bag in an airport without it falling out through the bottom and you would have difficulty getting through any customs because its radio active signature makes it easily detectable.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The problem with uranium is, its disproportionately heavy for its volume and so transporting any quantity is difficult and because uranium is highly radio active, it has to be packed in lead which is also incredibly heavy. You'd have trouble picking up your bag in an airport without it falling out through the bottom and you would have difficulty getting through any customs because its radio active signature makes it easily detectable.

Sure it has to be Sealed in a heavy machine order
Sealed air tight.

Not Airports
Ships deliver to Ports

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure it has to be Sealed in a heavy machine order
Sealed air tight.

Not Airports
Ships deliver to Ports

Keep in mind, every single item that crosses a shipping border is checked at the other end.

If someone wanted to smuggle uranium onto US soil then they'd find a way, there's no denying that but we are starting to get into some fairly far fetched scenarios here.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Keep in mind, every single item that crosses a shipping border is checked at the other end.

If someone wanted to smuggle uranium onto US soil then they'd find a way, there's no denying that but we are starting to get into some fairly far fetched scenarios here.

Of Course.

The only reason I had to Expand
was for Dezzy
who will say no to Unlock a Mobile phone
that may have data to stop a Nuke in a Van
Attack.

Most folks say at that point all data is needed
(saying yes to unlock a iPhone)
to stop the Evil Terrorist Nuke Attack
inside America

[DemolitionRed]

What if the terrorists use throw away phones like they did on 'The Wire'?

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What if the terrorists use throw away phones like they did on 'The Wire'?

They may do
but if Data is on a 2nd proper iPhone
that will lead agents to stop a crew getting ready,
our own Dezzy says its not to be Unlocked

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

They may do
but if Data is on a 2nd proper iPhone
that will lead agents to stop a crew getting ready,
our own Dezzy says its not to be Unlocked

What would be the point of the throw away phone if they're going to hold the same information on another iPhone to keep?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What would be the point of the throw away phone if they're going to hold the same information on another iPhone to keep?

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

You've not actually answered my question.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

Do not dare to speak for me when you don't even have a solid grasp on reality.

As I've explained a thousand times, this ain't about terrorism, the FBI knows they won't find anything on the phone, they just want to set a precedent for the future so they can do it when they please to whoever they please.

Like I said before, they're just using Terrorism as an excuse to invade people's privacy.

[Tom4784]

The fact you have to keep digging yourself out of holes shows how silly, unrealistic and illogical your little scenario is.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The fact you have to keep digging yourself out of holes shows how silly, unrealistic and illogical your little scenario is.

Anything can happen.
I would think if that story happened
you view may change
thats the only point Dezzy.

Respect To You.

[DemolitionRed]

If this ever comes to pass, which it won't, terrorists and criminals will simply use throw away phones.

This isn't about terrorism, at least I don't believe it is. This is about data mining which is worth many £billions.

[user104658]

There could be aliens, guys. Evil aliens that want to kill people - and the information could be in some guy's WhatsApp messages. The only sensible option I can think of, is for everyone's messages to be sent through the CIA where they can be scanned for key words and flagged for alien activity.

If you're not an alien sympathiser you've got nothing to hide so why are you so scared? Hmm? What's your problem? Bit suspicious if you ask me, you probably have a phone full of alien kiddy porn, otherwise you would be willing - nay, HAPPY, for your private communications to be available. You closet terrorist.