[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how would we decide what a refugee is, most that I see on t' telly are young men aged 18-24?

Because it benefits the media to agitate the easily led by presenting refugees as untrustworthy scroungers trying to cheat the system, at least until the next child washes up dead on a beach and then the media will be forced to treat them like human beings for a few weeks until they can go back to baiting the casual racists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because it benefits the media to agitate the easily led by presenting refugees as untrustworthy scroungers trying to cheat the system, at least until the next child washes up dead on a beach and then the media will be forced to treat them like human beings for a few weeks until they can go back to baiting the casual racists.

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

Because pointing the camera at families, the elderly and the needy doesn't suit the story they want to tell.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because pointing the camera at families, the elderly and the needy doesn't suit the story they want to tell.

surely the BBC are not at this trick?

[Nicky91]

No, i would really feel uncomfortable around refugees

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No I am talking about who i see when the telly tells me all these people are refugees

they all (mostly) appear to be young men aged 18-24?

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

[smudgie]

No.arent they all given somewhere to live once they are declared refugees?
Middlesbrough has streets full of refugees.
I would like to see these unfortunate people intergrated amongst the more well off boroughs as well thank you very much.

[Northern Monkey]

The media are definately not conspiring to make the refugees look bad.They have covered up or not reported and ignored all the blatant hooliganism and destruction of fences,trains,barriers etc that these 'refugees' have perpetrated so as not to paint them in a bad light.Nobody has a clue how many of these migrants are genuine refugees.People are pouring into Europe from all over the middle east and Africa.Some of them paying big money to people traffickers.They are all getting mixed up together.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

so they are not strictly refugees in the true sense?

[DemolitionRed]

Its the young men who are in the most danger. All the terrorist groups are looking for new recruits on a daily basis. Not everyone believes in the cause or wants to take part in the fighting but if they hang around in Syria, they likely have two choices...join the fighters and prepare to die for our cause or die as a traitor.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so they are not strictly refugees in the true sense?

yes they are ... but as in anything, some people are in a better position to leave everything behind than others. If I was a refugee, i wouldn't leave without my complete family with me. For the majority of young men, this is no problem, they only need to worry about themselves.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

surely the BBC are not at this trick?

It's a TV station at the end of the day, it's primary function is to attract viewers and the UK isn't supportive of refugees and immigrants so the BBC and any other news program hoping to reach a large audience will present the news in a way that appeals to that audience. All news caters to it's target audience, it's naive to think otherwise.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its the young men who are in the most danger. All the terrorist groups are looking for new recruits on a daily basis. Not everyone believes in the cause or wants to take part in the fighting but if they hang around in Syria, they likely have two choices...join the fighters and prepare to die for our cause or die as a traitor.

That's an excellent point.

[Glenn.]

Would I be able to use them as help? Like cleaners and stuff?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the 18-24 age group are the most likely group not to have anything to leave behind, so its easy to leave. In a war or not, once you have a family, a house, friends and work ... you don't tend to throw it all away and leave, no matter what the circumstances are

Yes, this, young solo males are the least likely to have any concerns about leaving things behind and also are both A) The most likely to be willing to take the risk in the belief that they will make it and B) legitimately the most likely to be in a strong enough physical condition to successfully undertake the journey.

Also there's often an expense involved in undertaking it, and a whole family will pull together to send one or two people in the hopes that they can get set up somewhere and then the rest (children, etc.) will be able to join them later when they have somewhere safe to go. If you had a family of 20 pulling together resources to send just a couple of people out into the world, who would you choose? There are VERY OBVIOUS, logical, and not at all sinister reasons that most of the people in these surging crowds of refugees are young, physically fit males.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, this, young solo males are the least likely to have any concerns about leaving things behind and also are both A) The most likely to be willing to take the risk in the belief that they will make it and B) legitimately the most likely to be in a strong enough physical condition to successfully undertake the journey.

Also there's often an expense involved in undertaking it, and a whole family will pull together to send one or two people in the hopes that they can get set up somewhere and then the rest (children, etc.) will be able to join them later when they have somewhere safe to go. If you had a family of 20 pulling together resources to send just a couple of people out into the world, who would you choose? There are VERY OBVIOUS, logical, and not at all sinister reasons that most of the people in these surging crowds of refugees are young, physically fit males.

And, of course, in most of the countries from which they are fleeing don't hold women in very high esteem anyway. I'm sure there are just as many fit young women without a family who would be willing to make the journey but... no.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

And, of course, in most of the countries from which they are fleeing don't hold women in very high esteem anyway. I'm sure there are just as many fit young women without a family who would be willing to make the journey but... no.

Well that's true and not at the same time. Because females are somewhat repressed in these societies, most wouldn't have the confidence or competence to undertake something like that alone.

Let's not pretend that that's reason enough to condemn them though; the same would have been true in this country less than a century ago.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Exactly.

Also got to laugh at the idea of homeless people being 'put at the back of the queue' as someone suggested. It's not like the government sit around and say 'hmm, shall we help the homeless or refugees this year? WE CAN ONLY DO ONE! Okay, lets go with the refugees. Okay, next order of business, increase benefits for unemployed single mothers WITH MIXED RACE CHILDREN or give aid to injured ex soldiers that are down on their luck. Decisions Decisions!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You could move out

Are you asking me to move in with you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well that's true and not at the same time. Because females are somewhat repressed in these societies, most wouldn't have the confidence or competence to undertake something like that alone.

Let's not pretend that that's reason enough to condemn them though; the same would have been true in this country less than a century ago.

Well, I don't agree with your premise that all these young men are fleeing from IS. Most of those at Calais for instance, Drawing comparisons between women in this country a century ago and women in the Middle East now is not a flyer, I'm afraid. No comparison can be drawn in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Would I be able to use them as help? Like cleaners and stuff?

This was my point, they would need to work, i have plenty work for a strong woman in her 20s. Not one on her bloody phone all day - like a Russian woman: a worker who wants to put in a 12 hour shift and be happy with minimum wage and bed and board

or bed and board and the fact she wont be shot, save on the wages.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This was my point, they would need to work, i have plenty work for a strong woman in her 20s. Not one on her bloody phone all day - like a Russian woman: a worker who wants to put in a 12 hour shift and be happy with minimum wage and bed and board

or bed and board and the fact she wont be shot, save on the wages.

Not LT looking for a cheap prozzy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Not LT looking for a cheap prozzy

No i would never with a girl in her twenties: I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke and be able to ride a lawnmower with confidence. Plus be able to cook and make sure my work surfaces are free from crumbs, especially around my toaster.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you asking me to move in with you?

Yes shall we say next Monday

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No i would never with a girl in her twenties: I want a hard worker who can mend my dry stane dyke and be able to ride a lawnmower with confidence. Plus be able to cook and make sure my work surfaces are free from crumbs, especially around my toaster.

Kizzy?