[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by jet

He is so damn arrogant. 'Everyone sit down!' and Jackson looks like he's thinking "who the hell do you think you are" and stays standing. Love Jackson.

Its a point of vew. Now analyse why he had to say that. Did you miss the 'I don't have much time'? Did you not see how they were not concentrating and he needed them to focus quickly.

Of course Jackson did not immediatly react, Andrew put him in this 'Others' position (awkward!) yet quickly and clearly stated the task and they all understood and ready to act as a group.

I would look a touch aragant if I could get attention and focus from people when I wanted it.

But truth is so hard to pin down all we can do is question assumptions.

[jet]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Its a point of vew. Now analyse why he had to say that. Did you miss the 'I don't have much time'? Did you not see how they were not concentrating and he needed them to focus quickly.

Of course Jackson did not immediatly react, Andrew put him in this 'Others' position (awkward!) yet quickly and clearly stated the task and they all understood and ready to act as a group.

I would look a touch aragant if I could get attention and focus from people when I wanted it.

But truth is so hard to pin down all we can do is question assumptions.

He's always arrogant. And cold. And has no personality.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Everything about last night was reminiscent of Victor in BB5, Rex in BB 6 and the BB 9 fight night that are now referred to by many as BB gold.....Both Andrew and Ryan played their roles perfectly and unusually exactly how they said they would....not how BB told them they should but instead how they told BB they would....I don't like Ryan at all but I can only bow to how he performed last night and as for Andrew, I love everything he's doing

That's not what most think. Andrew blew it. He even practically told the HM's that he didn't mean it when he called them snakes, it was all part of a game - which they weren't supposed to know anything about.
What are his tactics in doing that?

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by jet

He's always arrogant. And cold. And has no personality.

Well thats an improvement from 'damm arragant'

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

That's not what most think. Andrew blew it. He even practically told the HM's that he didn't mean it when he called them snakes, it was all part of a game - which they weren't supposed to know anything about.
What are his tactics in doing that?

I don't know what his tactics are but he's obv used tactics in kick boxing and chess championships so he will def have tactics for BB....if they'll be successful we've yet to see but so far they have been....what he said on his VT and what he assured he would do to the house within 10 minutes of arriving was exactly what he did....Andrew and Ryan threw hand grenades into that house last night and it exploded right in front of their eyes.....personally I couldn't take my eyes off what followed their entrance into the main house and I doubt that was the point when other viewing went to make a cup of tea either.

[T*]

-punch punch-
-kick kick-
I'm a game player lol

[sampvt]

Someone said he is gay, is that true, he hasn't shown his hand in the house yet as far as I am aware

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I don't know what his tactics are but he's obv used tactics in kick boxing and chess championships so he will def have tactics for BB....if they'll be successful we've yet to see but so far they have been....what he said on his VT and what he assured he would do to the house within 10 minutes of arriving was exactly what he did....Andrew and Ryan threw hand grenades into that house last night and it exploded right in front of their eyes.....personally I couldn't take my eyes off what followed their entrance into the main house and I doubt that was the point when other viewing went to make a cup of tea either.

But anyone could have come in and said '8 of you are snakes', and that was it. It was nothing special. Any thicko could manage that. No subtlety, no keeping his cards close to his chest. He even backtracked when he felt the heat. It was Ryan who really caused the explosion.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

But anyone could have come in and said '8 of you are snakes', and that was it. It was nothing special. Any thicko could manage that. No subtlety, no keeping his cards close to his chest. He even backtracked when he felt the heat. It was Ryan who really caused the explosion.

I don't think just anyone could come in and do that, I think it takes a certain type of person to have the balls to do that and very few in the past have ...the idea that it was nothing special yet caused an immediate reaction is what makes it special....that a few words said with conviction without even raising his voice could get a response like it did makes it very special in my eyes....but we don't all have the same eyes...and as for Ryan, his approach was opposite to Andrew so between them they had both angles covered...Ryan was equally as good as Andrew last night, even if I don't like him he was without doubt good viewing last night.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I don't think just anyone could come in and do that, I think it takes a certain type of person to have the balls to do that and very few in the past have ...the idea that it was nothing special yet caused an immediate reaction is what makes it special....that a few words said with conviction without even raising his voice could get a response like it did makes it very special in my eyes....but we don't all have the same eyes...and as for Ryan, his approach was opposite to Andrew so between them they had both angles covered...Ryan was equally as good as Andrew last night, even if I don't like him he was without doubt good viewing last night.

No, anyone could have done that and anyone with a brain could have done it better.

You're waxing lyrical about something that ultimately had no effect on the house and put Andrew into a bad position. Everbody laughed in his face and left him to his failure.

Andrew did nothing but take the credit.

[hot2go]

If the main house believe that they are all friends and there could never be any back stabbing taking place they would have dismissed what he said....I think their knee jerk reaction showed the opposite ...that each one was asking themselves who the 8 back stabbers are and are they themselves coming across as one....I think that was what Andrew achieved...that he could plant doubt so quickly and so easily in their minds...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by hot2go

If the main house believe that they are all friends and there could never be any back stabbing taking place they would have dismissed what he said....I think their knee jerk reaction showed the opposite ...that each one was asking themselves who the 8 back stabbers are and are they themselves coming across as one....I think that was what Andrew achieved...that he could plant doubt so quickly and so easily in their minds...

Reaching tbh.

Nobody bought it because he was just a stranger to them that was obviously trying to stir **** up. If he was as smart as he claimed he would have waited until they trusted him to start ****ing with them.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

If the main house believe that they are all friends and there could never be any back stabbing taking place they would have dismissed what he said....I think their knee jerk reaction showed the opposite ...that each one was asking themselves who the 8 back stabbers are and are they themselves coming across as one....I think that was what Andrew achieved...that he could plant doubt so quickly and so easily in their minds...

Their knee jerk reaction showed they thought "who the hell is this joker coming in here talking shi*". They very quickly dismissed what he said and he helped them along by backtracking. Far from being special, it was a big soggy limp flop. I just don't see the greatness in him and the genius that you see, sorry.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by waterhog

jet you may be right - and if he is permantly excluded from the group and can not riggle in - then you are 100% right -

but

I predict it will not go like that


someone will have mercy on him and form a click and the game will get going even better.

lets wait and see.

I got the impression that he thought Ryan had blown it, so wanted to create a distraction which was why he moved them away from Ryan.

It could be that his snake comments will have done enough to make the housemates begin to question and doubt each other- conversations tonight will tell.

It could also be that some of the more insecure ones will want to question him further about those comments, and be quite easily manipulated by what he says.

As you say, we'll have to wait and see.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Their knee jerk reaction showed they thought "who the hell is this joker coming in here talking shi*". They very quickly dismissed what he said and he helped them along by backtracking. Far from being special, it was a big soggy limp flop. I just don't see the greatness in him and the genius that you see, sorry.

Tell ya what, I'll send him over to you for the weekend and you send Gemma Collins over to me...and we can do a study programme ....like a cultural exchange ...only without any culture

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I don't know what his tactics are but he's obv used tactics in kick boxing and chess championships so he will def have tactics for BB....if they'll be successful we've yet to see but so far they have been....what he said on his VT and what he assured he would do to the house within 10 minutes of arriving was exactly what he did....Andrew and Ryan threw hand grenades into that house last night and it exploded right in front of their eyes.....personally I couldn't take my eyes off what followed their entrance into the main house and I doubt that was the point when other viewing went to make a cup of tea either.

I agree - he will definitely have tactics.

Your description is spot-on. It was indeed like they'd thrown hand grenades and everyone disintegrated around them within minutes of their arrival.

Definitely had a massive impact.

The tactics he uses to follow up now will determine his success in dividing and conquering, and earning his place as a housemate. One thing is for sure, the peace and harmony of the main house has been shattered and the fall out should be interesting to watch.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Tell ya what, I'll send him over to you for the weekend and you send Gemma Collins over to me...and we can do a study programme ....like a cultural exchange ...only without any culture

[Livia]

He's typical of the kind of person who has to keep telling you how intelligent they are. Usually... they're not.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

Their knee jerk reaction showed they thought "who the hell is this joker coming in here talking shi*". They very quickly dismissed what he said and he helped them along by backtracking. Far from being special, it was a big soggy limp flop. I just don't see the greatness in him and the genius that you see, sorry.

Genius LOL...