[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Andy doesn't go, there is only 1 who will be definitely getting evicted, and that is Georgina , all her money and being posh can't save her now


but it's better for Georgina to be evicted this week, she can be with her horses again and being happy with her family and friends

nicky91 - I hope you are wrong.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by waterhog

nicky91 - I hope you are wrong.

okay, but anyway be proud of Georgina

[hot2go]

It was so much harder for Andy because he received nominations from Lateyshas gutter gang....each one more poisonous than the last....noms with deliberate spite and conveyed to cause maximum damage..
Georgina got off light ....people who voted for her were more measured and less vindictive ....the nominators who are cruel are her friends so they left her alone.

The noms Andy received were personal and down right nasty.
Jayne said it herself, the only one she was upset by was Sam...she made have had 10 noms but all bit one was dressed up with fake concern....Andy was just attacked.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

i don't care and i'm not having another ****ing boring sympathy winner (a la Luke A) when there are at least 4 more deserving

BB17: Jayne?

All she's lived off is sympathy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

if Chris - a far better housemate and much funnier - can end up only fifth in a final with the likes of Ash and Helen, he should do no better.

Chris was kind of on the same level as Andy imo, I actually expected more from Chris in that series than what I expected from Andy in this series as well which made Chris the bigger disappointment in my eyes.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Chris was kind of on the same level as Andy imo, I actually expected more from Chris in that series than what I expected from Andy in this series as well which made Chris the bigger disappointment in my eyes.

Andy much more interesting than Chris

[TT350]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I agree...I really like Andy but if you are going to confront people all the time with your opinions you have to accept and be prepared for backlash.
He confronts people in a level headed way..he doesn't get abusive and he is fair but it will rub people up the wrong way. He likes to be honest and dislikes bitching which is why he confronts people with his opinion but he doesn't always do it in the best way and therefore comes across as a bit condescending rather than being constructive and diplomatic.
I feel for him because he is a nice guy but he makes himself an easy target...the critisism he got was cruel but he is an intelligent bloke and others feel threatened by him and his maturity... I hope he doesn't change and I hope he doesn't withdraw or leave..he has to take it on the chin and just believe in himself. Hope he gets cheers on Friday...Georgina's a definite goner.

Well said Rusticgal.

I agree. He calmly approaches people with his objections and doesn't insult people. But he needs to learn, people don't always want to know your opinion. And you're not automatically justified if you're convinced your opinion is correct.

I dot think he's malicious just a bit or a lot naieve.

[hot2go]

Lateysha, Sam, Alex, Ryan, Hughie, Charlie were all talking behind Jason's back and calling him a game player ....Andy is Jason's mate so he felt he was betraying him by keeping him in dark....I think his opinion was correct.

Lateysha, Natalie, Sam, Ryan, Georgina were whispering behind Hughies back and calling him a nasty two faced liar....Andy ( and Jayne ) thought it was wrong and he told them how hurtful it feels to be the person on the receiving end of that....I think his opinion was correct.

Just because they didn't agree with him does not mean what he said wasn't true....I think their opinion is wrong.

[Ellen]

He was right in what he said but i dont think he put it across well so they got annoyed. Because it was Andy who they dont like he wasnt going to be allowed a proper discussion.
As Jason said last night, he isnt manipulative, nasty or vicious! It his delivery thats the prob.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

He was right in what he said but i dont think he put it across well so they got annoyed. Because it was Andy who they dont like he wasnt going to be allowed a proper discussion.
As Jason said last night, he isnt manipulative, nasty or vicious! It his delivery thats the prob.

I didn't see anything wrong with his delivery. He approached them with courtesy and calmness. It seems you only get respect in that house if you shout and screech (Lateshya?).

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

I didn't see anything wrong with his delivery. He approached them with courtesy and calmness. It seems you only get respect in that house if you shout and screech (Lateshya?).

Yes you are right. I meant he didnt put it across well in their eyes but however he put it, it would not go down well because they dont like him.
Jason said something similar last night about his approach.

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by hot2go

That's cause some of the things the others were hearing was the truth ... And everything Georgina heard was the truth...
Jayne was resilient and very good how she handled it all. She is older though and that makes a big difference. .. You get older you give less of a sh-t what people say

Isn't that the truth

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ellen

He was right in what he said but i dont think he put it across well so they got annoyed. Because it was Andy who they dont like he wasnt going to be allowed a proper discussion.
As Jason said last night, he isnt manipulative, nasty or vicious! It his delivery thats the prob.

Yeh he needs to learn how to dumb himself down for them to understand him....they're ability to reason or reflect themselves is zero.
I would say Lateysha and Ryan are the least intelligent of the housemates.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Lateysha, Sam, Alex, Ryan, Hughie, Charlie were all talking behind Jason's back and calling him a game player ....Andy is Jason's mate so he felt he was betraying him by keeping him in dark....I think his opinion was correct.

Lateysha, Natalie, Sam, Ryan, Georgina were whispering behind Hughies back and calling him a nasty two faced liar....Andy ( and Jayne ) thought it was wrong and he told them how hurtful it feels to be the person on the receiving end of that....I think his opinion was correct.

Just because they didn't agree with him does not mean what he said wasn't true....I think their opinion is wrong.

Actually you should check your facts. Charlie was saying Jason was playing a game - other housemates simply talked about her saying it. There were no clips of anyone suggesting he had a game plan until Charlie instigated it.

Natalie told Lateysha Hughie had called her a slut, a tramp and generally slated her, it upset her and in turn she called him nasty - others agreed it was nasty for him to prejudge her and Hughie and Lateysha have since sorted their issues out and have become friends.

Neither scenario involved Andy, but he decided to go and whisper to each housemate in turn to get a story and then confront Lateysha and try and make her look two faced in front of other housemates but when it backfired on him and the house noticed how sly he was he got nominated. He's a grown man and he should be held accountable for his actions rather than blame being shifted to others.

He's not crying because he's hurt. He's crying because his stirring and sneaky game playing wasn't successful so he's turned on the water works to play the house victim yet again (he did it a few weeks ago too when he claimed he was being bullied because people weren't interacting with him much because he's boring) Andy is a snake and people have noticed in the house.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Actually you should check your facts. Charlie was saying Jason was playing a game - other housemates simply talked about her saying it. There were no clips of anyone suggesting he had a game plan until Charlie instigated it.

Natalie told Lateysha Hughie had called her a slut, a tramp and generally slated her, it upset her and in turn she called him nasty - others agreed it was nasty for him to prejudge her and Hughie and Lateysha have since sorted their issues out and have become friends.

Neither scenario involved Andy, but he decided to go and whisper to each housemate in turn to get a story and then confront Lateysha and try and make her look two faced in front of other housemates but when it backfired on him and the house noticed how sly he was he got nominated. He's a grown man and he should be held accountable for his actions rather than blame being shifted to others.

He's not crying because he's hurt. He's crying because his stirring and sneaky game playing wasn't successful so he's turned on the water works to play the house victim yet again (he did it a few weeks ago too when he claimed he was being bullied because people weren't interacting with him much because he's boring) Andy is a snake and people have noticed in the house.

Andy heard the clique gossiping about his friend Jason behind his back after what Charlie had said and he heard them gossiping about Hughie behind his back when he and Laytesha were supposed to have sorted it out.
He didn't like Jason and Hughie not knowing what was being said so he talked to some others because he was torn about what to do, then he approached the clique in a calm, controlled way. What is so awful about that?
It could have been resolved very easily if Laytesha hadn't made it into a huge drama and nearly had a nervous breakdown - and Sam hadn't blatantly lied about never being two faced. HE is the snake. Guilty consciences much?
You see Andy as a snake, I see him as principled as do many others.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Actually you should check your facts. Charlie was saying Jason was playing a game - other housemates simply talked about her saying it. There were no clips of anyone suggesting he had a game plan until Charlie instigated it.

Natalie told Lateysha Hughie had called her a slut, a tramp and generally slated her, it upset her and in turn she called him nasty - others agreed it was nasty for him to prejudge her and Hughie and Lateysha have since sorted their issues out and have become friends.

Neither scenario involved Andy, but he decided to go and whisper to each housemate in turn to get a story and then confront Lateysha and try and make her look two faced in front of other housemates but when it backfired on him and the house noticed how sly he was he got nominated. He's a grown man and he should be held accountable for his actions rather than blame being shifted to others.

He's not crying because he's hurt. He's crying because his stirring and sneaky game playing wasn't successful so he's turned on the water works to play the house victim yet again (he did it a few weeks ago too when he claimed he was being bullied because people weren't interacting with him much because he's boring) Andy is a snake and people have noticed in the house.

Obviuosly I totally disagree with everything you've said about Andy and neither of our perceptions of him can be known for sure so no point us carrying on with that one...I see something positive and you see something negative where Andy is concerned...Andys reasons are not tangible facts and only he can really say why he got involved, leaving us to either believe him or not. You call it being sneaky, I call it getting his facts straight before making accusations. Everything he said was true which leaves only his reasons for saying it in question and those neither you or I can prove.

But Lateysha is diff story, here it's more about facts ....it's a fact that just because she's not the original source of the gossip it does not dilute or excuse in any way her major involvement in the spreading of it.....in fact Natalie and Charlie are irrelevant in any assessment of Lateyshas behaviour towards Hughie or Andy or Jason. Them being trouble makers doesn't suddenly make everyone else innocent or excuse what they choose to do with the info they've been given by them.

In truth and I have said this before, the fact that the gossip Lateysha spreads and the sly personal attacks she makes about people because of it, hasn't even come from a reliable source just makes her even worse. She reacts, immediately and aggressively, on information from unreliable sources and has no proof if the facts are even true or not. And the only time the accused victim gets to explain their side of the story is when Lateysha has been exposed and they confront her, forcing her to back peddle and try to undo the mess she's made...and she's stupid because she does the same thing over and over again.

Half the house were whispering about Jason behind his back and he had no idea, that is true.

Lateysha and her friends were attacking Hughie behind his back and he had no idea, that is true.

Lateysha, Laura, Sam and Evelyn wrongly assumed Andy had said something spiteful about Marco and were talking behind his back and he had no idea till they them wrongly accused him of it.

The row the other day, Andy remarked that groups of housemates are doing these things, he didn't say one single person or use anyone's name....it was Lateysha who got defensive and took it personally ..Andy didn't claim to know what had been said or who had said it...he merely said he knew unpleasant group bitching had taken place and that he thinks it wrong and hurtful...and he wasn't just randomly doing it for fun, he was doing in context to the fact it was happening again at that moment, only this time against his best friend in the house, Jason..

I believe Andy was speaking out against bullying and that was his reason.

But what I wish he had been doing was deliberately taking revenge on those who had isolated him and wrongly accused him two weeks earlier and not offered him any apology when he defended himself with the truth and made them look stupid...which they are...,very.

[Jenkin]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Omg I felt so bad for Andy, what a bunch of horrible hm, hope Andy doesn't go on Friday and hope he gets lots of cheers,it's obvious most of these hm have a problem with a hm that has a brain..

I agree. Andy needs a confidence boost right now so I hope he gets lot's of cheers on Friday and is the first to be saved

[hot2go]

Sorry Jet....I was replying same time as yourself ....passing ships

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Omg I felt so bad for Andy, what a bunch of horrible hm, hope Andy doesn't go on Friday and hope he gets lots of cheers,it's obvious most of these hm have a problem with a hm that has a brain..

I'm sure he will get loads of cheers

[Jan S]

jet and hot2go, nice pair of posts.

[Maru]

I don't feel he cried on purpose. If he did though, that was the ultimate gameplaying move and well done.

In his mind he probably thought what he was doing could be considered a service so it made him overconfident. It's a no brainer why he would be then be shocked to be seen as a gameplayer as arrogance is often rooted in ignorance. He probably does do it out of good intentions, but I don't think that necessarily means hsi intentions are all that pure either...

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Yeh he needs to learn how to dumb himself down for them to understand him....they're ability to reason or reflect themselves is zero.
I would say Lateysha and Ryan are the least intelligent of the housemates.

get outta my head

100% agree

[Vanessa]

Aw i like him.

[Adamw92]

People actually fell for those crocodile, non-existant tears? Wow. Okay then. He certainly likes to basically tarnish everyone with a very similar brush but when those reasons make him look the same and he's nominated for it, suddenly I'm suppsoed to give a **** how he feels? No.

[Amy Jade]

Yeah with all due respect I'm not going to read all that because it'll just be you twisiting any and all situations to being anyone else's fault apart from Andys. I genuinely don't mean any respect by that either we just clearly have different opinions

He is just as bitchy as everyone else, if not worse because he's the one throwing around the bullying card and acting like everyone is so awful for having the audacity to speak about others behind their backs saying petty things that aren't even that big a deal and then he's going into the diary room and saying Lateysha must care not about her daughter because she chooses not to discus her child with him.

You can tell he's a reporter.