[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I'd say she cares for her children, but perhaps not in the typical, mumsy way we expect mums to be. She's not the most responsible person in the world, but I wouldn't doubt her love for her children.

Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

[tinkerbell]

lol why do you always speak like you know Jade and know what is going in her head

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
lol why do you always speak like you know Jade and know what is going in her head

Hi Tinkerbell.

You ask a sensible question and I think you deserve an answer which will make you understand me.

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If I was a friend or an acquaintance or an associate of Jade Goody, and I told you that I know that she does love her children and the reason that she said those comments in various interviews that her children come first and that is why she is doing this?

Then, you could easily say that Jade Goody could be lying to me?

She could be just telling me this, just to save face or any other personal reason. So, like you say. If I know her personally? Then, everything which she maybe told me could be lies, Agreed!!

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If I was just a fan, or a sympathist to her situation? Then, the same thing would apply.

I cannot state facts, because, only Jade Goody knows exactly what happened and what her intentions were.

Maybe she does have a secret hidden racial view of people? I couldn't tell you, whether I know her or not.

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If I was Jade Goody herself or one of her close family. Once again, it may be a bias view or a lie, just to save face.

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Every version of who I may be, all turns up with the same result.

They are all guesswork to anybody on this forum.

Jade Goody is not perfect and has made some silly mistakes. I would imagine that she regrets every part of coming back on Celebrity Big Brother in January and whatever she does to try and help herself, her image or even her children

It will be a very hard thing to do.

I hope that helps?

I shall be friendly in my responses to you, if we can debate in that way, hopefully!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

Jade does love her children - Not enough to see them for days after she left the house, she wasn't too busy for interviews and drinks though

No choice to do weeks of interviews ?, HA HA HA of course she had a choice. she could have gone home to her kids - but there wouldn't be any publicity in that for more than a day.

yes her fans "adore" her, and it doesn't stop them ignoring what a vile manipulative bully she is ..... Jade attracts a certain kind of "fan", one that remains blinkered to reality and then tries and change other peoples minds, hoping that other people suffer from the same form of myopia.

Problem 1 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people are not buying,

Problem 2 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people know what she is.

Problem 3 for Jades "adoring" fans is that they cannot accept it - well... tough, nothing unusual there considering the mindset of the people we are dealing with.

Wake up
smell the coffee
accept that most people think she is a cash grabbing nasty vindictive bully who channel hopped for days and days to save her "career" and didn't go to see her kids until people starting asking why not - then she needed damage limitation on that score as well. Cue her "people" to start planting sob stories.

[Evilempressrose]

What sob stories?
I missed them. As a non fan I saw what she did in the house, I saw her eviction..................also her interview, never saw a sob story though.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
What sob stories?
I missed them. As a non fan I saw what she did in the house, I saw her eviction..................also her interview, never saw a sob story though.

Death threats - not true according to the police

house vandalised - not true according to the police

rehab - oh lets not go there its waaaay too risible

the endless meet kiddies / happy with jack utter BS spewed out of heat magazine by the feature editor of that magazine -who wrote jades "autobiography"

Sob stories - stories planted to gain sympathy

all party of a PR campaign to save face and career.

The majority are not buying, end of list

[Evilempressrose]

THEY were sob stories?
I see where you are coming from but they were what she INVITED.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
THEY were sob stories?
I see where you are coming from but they were what she INVITED.

Invited ?

Embraced with open arms, more like.

They still didn't work though

[Evilempressrose]

They didn't no.

[Evilempressrose]

Fans will buy it all, however.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Evilempressrose
Fans will buy it all, however.

Of course they will.

and in the case of Jade Goody, the public are not buying.

This is causing some of her "fans" to go ballistic.
Which is both funny and pathetic in equal measure

[mansi]

^ loll...yes I know what you mean

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Jade does love her children - Not enough to see them for days after she left the house, she wasn't too busy for interviews and drinks though

No choice to do weeks of interviews ?, HA HA HA of course she had a choice. she could have gone home to her kids - but there wouldn't be any publicity in that for more than a day.

yes her fans "adore" her, and it doesn't stop them ignoring what a vile manipulative bully she is ..... Jade attracts a certain kind of "fan", one that remains blinkered to reality and then tries and change other peoples minds, hoping that other people suffer from the same form of myopia.

Problem 1 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people are not buying,

Problem 2 for Jades "adoring" fans is that people know what she is.

Problem 3 for Jades "adoring" fans is that they cannot accept it - well... tough, nothing unusual there considering the mindset of the people we are dealing with.

Wake up
smell the coffee
accept that most people think she is a cash grabbing nasty vindictive bully who channel hopped for days and days to save her "career" and didn't go to see her kids until people starting asking why not - then she needed damage limitation on that score as well. Cue her "people" to start planting sob stories.

Jade Goody couldn't see the boys immediately, the police wouldn't let her. It was a safety issue and Jade had to do interviews at that time and she did them and showed us all how frightened she was for her childrens safety. Realisation had come through.

I'd need a drink after what she had got put through!

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Jade could have spent less time doing further interviews, that is true. However, the hate for her from so many people, meant that Jade Goody had to really get out there and do her thing and state exactly the truth of what happened in the Big Brother house in January.

Her children are always there for her, when she gets back.

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Jade does have her fans and many of those fans watched the show in January and now have joined the Jade-Hate club today, who has many, many members.

The real fans of Jade Goody who know the other side of Jade, which is separate from what people witness on only three reality shows. Also, they can also see that Jade could be just playing to the cameras and giving what many of the viewing puplic want.

Plenty of drama and arguments on Big Brother, which is what brings the ratings in.

Jade Goody would have watched Big Brother 1 & 2 and would had worked out what brings audiences in.

If you watch a soap opera and there is no drama or baddies vs goodies, etc.. people can stop watching and viewing ratings go down.

Big Brother has been a success story for Jade and her actions on the Big Brother 3 certainly made a big impact on her popularity.

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Many people have chose not to buy into her products, Beauty, Perfume, fitness & other memorabilia.

This is where "ebay.co.uk" & "youtube.com" + many other sites let people have a choice.

If fans wish to look at Jade Goody's past televised appearances or memorabilia and product, many can do so & will.

[Bells]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Jade Goody does love her children and when this whole nightmare really sunk in.

That is when she had no choice but to go on all of these interviews and do articles in the newspapers and mags.

It doesn't matter about the fans of Jade. They are out there and know that Jade Goody is a nice person who they worship and adore. "Nothing unusual there!"

You know how fans are?

But, like I said, it is those people who always disliked or hated Jade and many others who also now don't like her.

I wouldn't say that, because I never disliked Jade previously - I just didn't mind her. My judgement of her was based purely on her behaviour in the CBB house; after which I was appalled and thus began to dislike Jade. That feeling still stands, but at the same time I think saying she doesn't love her children at all is unjust. Furthermore, I for one think instead of the constant press and tabloid coverage etc. (which is always going to be there), Jade should be left to focus on rebuilding her life and sorting things out. I don't necessarily want to see her in the public eye again, however if she does return she needs to take a suitable gap and choose and follow her career path wisely.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Death threats - not true according to the police

house vandalised - not true according to the police

rehab - oh lets not go there its waaaay too risible

the endless meet kiddies / happy with jack utter BS spewed out of heat magazine by the feature editor of that magazine -who wrote jades "autobiography"

Sob stories - stories planted to gain sympathy

all party of a PR campaign to save face and career.

The majority are not buying, end of list

Jade Goody and her family may have experienced death threats or just threats of violence? But, some may have not been reported to the police. That is her choice to do that or not.

Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

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Jade Goody may have had vandalism? But, she has more than enough money to fix any possible damage.

She may had felt it wasn't worth reporting, as many would had considered it "justice"?

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Jade did go to the priory and it just didn't work for her and that is that.

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Jade will have met with children, even before this. So what?

Jade is also sorry for what she did and just looking at those interviews which were very vivid, she is not making anything up.

A P.R campaign is what many assume is the case. Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?

[tinkerbell]

How do you know some death threats weren't reported, do you live with her? trust me she will report each one of them and more just fr people to feel sorry for her. and police wont ignore fone calls.

stop talking like you know her its getting pathetic now.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
How do you know some death threats weren't reported, do you live with her? trust me she will report each one of them and more just fr people to feel sorry for her. and police wont ignore fone calls.

stop talking like you know her its getting pathetic now.

You say, "trust me she will report each one and more".


That is (the pot calling the kettle black.)

as the old-fashioned saying goes.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody and her family may have experienced death threats or just threats of violence? But, some may have not been reported to the police. That is her choice to do that or not.

How do you know?

Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

If death threats were made, they would have a duty to act on it - whatever their personal feelings were.

Jade Goody may have had vandalism? But, she has more than enough money to fix any possible damage.

And your point is?

She may had felt it wasn't worth reporting, as many would had considered it "justice"?

She may have. Or she may have not reported anything, because nothing happened.

Jade did go to the priory and it just didn't work for her and that is that.

Yes....what commitment she showed to getting better - I don't think.

Jade is also sorry for what she did and just looking at those interviews which were very vivid, she is not making anything up.

Okay - are you a body language expert? How do you know all this?

A P.R campaign is what many assume is the case. Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?

Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that she is sorry. Give us proof that it isn't just a PR campaign. Every time people ask you for proof, you refuse to give it - your perogative. But don't expect other people to provide you with proof.

[GiRTh]

You tell him Ruthie. As soon as I saw this bit of nonsense I was compelled to answer but you beat me to it.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Also, as police officers would have an opinion too. They may have received phone-calls from Jade, but just ignored them.

If there was any kind of threat the police have to investigate, as the police say there was no investigation then we must assume there was no threat.

Nodisharmony, once again you've come on the forum to sing the praises of Saint 'Jade Goody. Why do you think she so so worthy of all the adulation you give her and what are your motives for the constant defence of her? You say she's not perfect and that's there for all to see but why are you so willing to skate over her faults like her aggression, ego, lack of respect for people and general obnoxiousness.

[nodisharmony]

So much questions to answer.

I thought I would answer a few and brush over others.

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We can all see Jade Goody on reality shows and watch her turn nasty to one or two individual house-mates.

Maybe she is like that generally or maybe she is playing to the cameras to further her career or make more money, who knows?

Nobody can say that Jade Goody is genuinely sorry and is no way racist, except herself. Even her family and close friends could never really ever prove that.

So, we have to look at what Jade Goody could have done, after she left the house.

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Jade could have spoke to Davina, said that she had an argument and said some stuff to Shilpa, it was never racial, it was just two people not-clicking.

Then, she could have pocketed the fee from the show, added the money to her "already massive bank balance", then, done the Dermot O'Leary interview. Said exactly the same, without shedding a tear and got paid again and go back to her family.

Then, she could have gone to the News Of The World, said exactly the same, took the money and then go home.

Afterwards, she could of not gone to the priory, not gone to India, not given any money to charity.

Basically, she could have just sat back and waited until it had all calmed down.
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The above story, is exactly what didn't happen!

Jade didn't do all of those things, as she has shown us in many interviews, televised and in the News Papers and Magazines that Jade is very sorry and is trying everything she can to sort out this mess and to try and prove to everyone that she is indeed a decent person, who is far from perfect and didn't know how to argue properly, but was no way racist and it was just a case of two people, not getting on.

Jade went to the Priory, but sadly, it did not work for her there.

There were stories whereby she was apparently causing trouble in there? Perhaps it was people in there causing her grief? It is only speculative after all.

Jade then went to India and she gave quite a bit of money to worthy charities and showed all of us, how much she is doing to make ammends for what went on in Big Brother in January.

Jade is back in England and will probably be working on her next move to prove that she is better than what we all saw on that show. This is a very good assumption and in due course, you will more than likely accept that good assumption which I am making.

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What makes someone support or like Jade Goody is like asking anybody who likes a person who is in the minority fanbase.

Most cannot understand it and for the fans and supporters or for anyone who is part of the Jade's-camp, nobody has to answer that question.

Just say, "I like her/support her, because I choose to".

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade could have spoke to Davina, said that she had an argument and said some stuff to Shilpa, it was never racial, it was just two people not-clicking.

Then, she could have pocketed the fee from the show, added the money to her "already massive bank balance", then, done the Dermot O'Leary interview. Said exactly the same, without shedding a tear and got paid again and go back to her family.

Then, she could have gone to the News Of The World, said exactly the same, took the money and then go home.

Afterwards, she could of not gone to the priory, not gone to India, not given any money to charity.

Basically, she could have just sat back and waited until it had all calmed down.

That's my point. Why did she not do what you suggested here? I would have commended her if she'd only done a few interviews, faded into obscurity and waited for all the fuss to die down.

I object to the obvious stunts that Jade and her PR team are pulling. It all seems like a lot of damage control designed to create sympathy among misguided people and its working.

Let me guess, you're going to reply claiming that Jade hasn't pulled any stunts. Surprise me.

[Diablo]

I couldn't beleive when i found out she was a candidate for mum of the year..

What next?? Jackiey gran of the year..

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh

That's my point. Why did she not do what you suggested here? I would have commended her if she's only done a few interviews and faded into obscurity and waited for all the fuss to die down.

I object to the obvious stunts that Jade and her PR team are pulling. It all seems like a lot of damage control designed to create sympathy among misguided people and its working.

Let me guess, you're going to reply claiming that Jade hasn't pulled any stunts. Surprise me.

I know that you hate me stating facts when they cannot be proved as being so.

That is always the trouble with any debate.

A minority can always come on a forum and say that they know a celebrity and know that they are decent and honest generally and wouldn't be a certain way.

If a member joined this forum and said that, I would

(1) disbelieve that they do know that person.

(2) disbelieve that, even if they do know that person, maybe their judgement of that person is wrong.

This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Critisize me as much as you like. I want critisism, so I can clarify things more. It makes a good debate and a good read, plus, if we can't agree, then we can only agree to differ.
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Regarding your question?

Jade Goody I feel, is not good at dealing with this sort of situation. She was faced with this media frenzy and also, this mass hatred and did whatever she could to help those that had been offended.

She has advisors, who will be telling Jade what she should do and more than likely, Jade was worried about what may happen to her children in school and anywhere else.

Advisors could be giving her possibilities of what could happen, if she doesn't do everything to show others how nice she really is.

Jade Goody has come over quite well on other shows, many are available to see on Youtube.com and for others who remember Jade on other shows, will see a different side.

Jade Goody will have a side which will be seen on Big Brother and the bad arguments are what we remember. There was plenty of nice stuff shown too. But we just forget about that, all we saw was the nasty stuff and only judge her from that.

Nobody can prove that Jade is exactly what you see on three reality shows

But whatever the answer is, Jade Goody has done more to prove to those who were offended, than the other two put together.

If you expected or wanted Jade to just do nothing and keep all the cash and hide away into obscurity.

It will never, ever happen.

From what we see in the whole media, India, Priory, proves it as much as can be proved

[Dr43%er]

Try to quit assuming and come up with proof that Jade is indeed not sorry?

Like wise give me proof she is.

Dr 43%er.

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony
This is one of the reasons I won't say whether I have a connection with Jade Goody or not.

Let's just stick to straight observations please. If you are not prepared to say whether you know her or not, then don't mention it at all. Saying things like that gets peoples backs up. Move on now please.