[rk3388]

I need to hear more about education, healthcare, women's rights, THE ENVIRONMENT before I can give him any credibility.

ALSO putting it out there that I am by no means a fan of Hillary. I just can't see her presidency being as ecologically, socially and economically destructive as Trump.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by rk3388

I need to hear more about education, healthcare, women's rights, THE ENVIRONMENT before I can give him any credibility.

ALSO putting it out there that I am by no means a fan of Hillary. I just can't see her presidency being as ecologically, socially and economically destructive as Trump.

all of the policies I listed should see the economy improve and see more money for these other areas
he has spoken on education and social security and said he will maintain spending at the same level. he is to over turn obamacare and replace it with a less expensive less burocratic insurance system in an attempt to lower the escalating costs which are crippling small businesses. womens rights? they have all rights? disability payments he will payment...environment he has said he will invest in green energies

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by the truth

all of the policies I listed should see the economy improve and see more money for these other areas
he has spoken on education and social security and said he will maintain spending at the same level. he is to over turn obamacare and replace it with a less expensive less burocratic insurance system in an attempt to lower the escalating costs which are crippling small businesses. womens rights? they have all rights? disability payments he will payment...environment he has said he will invest in green energies

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

[the truth]

Originally Posted by rk3388

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

Your point on abortion is simply untrue and exaggerated, he wants to tighten laws on abortion (outside of rape and health danger to the mother) and he wants to put more funding into support for those people undecided on whether to abort, which is the right thing to do. Abortion has become too much of a feminist issue. When the childs life also needs to be taken into account plus to support the parents allows them time to look at all available options before rushing into a termination which they often later regret. The feminsts stance on this issue is too black or white too hard line and totally inflexible.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by the truth

Your point on abortion is simply untrue and exaggerated, he wants to tighten laws on abortion (outside of rape and health danger to the mother) and he wants to put more funding into support for those people undecided on whether to abort, which is the right thing to do. Abortion has become too much of a feminist issue. When the childs life also needs to be taken into account plus to support the parents allows them time to look at all available options before rushing into a termination which they often later regret. The feminsts stance on this issue is too black or white too hard line and totally inflexible.

Now this is untrue. He does not support Planned Parenthood which has been providing this service to women in the US, who help prevent preganancies in the first place.

And he said he is pro-life, ONLY allowing abortions under specified circumstances...

Making it illegal would result in illegal and more unsafe abortions . It also can result in unfit mothers raising children against their will, which can result in poor-quality lives for those kids

Then there's our population growth which is a whole nother issue

[the truth]

Originally Posted by rk3388

No he did not say he will invest in green energy, he wants to further expand the oil industry and mentioned that solar energy has "been a disaster" (not true). I'll give you one woman's right he is trying to take away which is abortion (as well as being against planned parenthood?)'
Economists have clearly said his economic plan would be a disaster as lowering the taxes for the 1% will let the rich get richer and the middle class deteriorate.
And your username is the truth..

the same elitist economists employed by corporations who predicted brexit was the end of the world? lol

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by the truth

the same elitist economists employed by corporations who predicted brexit was the end of the world? lol

Brexit has had a lot of negative ramifications including decreasing the value of the Canadian dollar which is something I'm dealing with right now. Not the end of the world, but you can't deny the economic consequences.

[Liberty4eva]

A couple of weeks ago Donald Trump gave a speech at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania (a famous Civil War battlefield). It wasn't has most energetic speech but it oozes issues and what he intends to do as president. The media didn't cover the specifics in the speech because they are biased. It ought to convince his most venomous critic to acknowledge that he has some good ideas. If it doesn't convince you, then you are hopeless.

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

No

[Withano]

He took part in three live debates and made a twat of himself. People who get persuaded by a speech he didnt write are hopeless.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

People who get persuaded by a speech he didn't write are hopeless.

Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

So anyone who voted leave are gullible now?Nice way to insult more than half of the voting public

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

That's why I have money on Trump to win, Kizzy

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

I'm afraid that your post - in addition to being personally insulting to those of us who voted to Brexit - is not only absolute meaningless nonsense, but also PREMATURE absolute meaningless nonsense at that.

We have NOT YET Brexited.

Knee-Jerk reactions and 'Private Fraser' type irrational screaming of 'We're Doomed, we're all doomed' are ludicrous.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It worked here is why... We lapped all the 'taking back control' and 'sovereignty' rubbish, our gullible believed it and theirs will too.

Don't call me gullible. I don't call you remain voters delusional.

#StoptheReferendumJibes

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly. Huge part of the problem with Trump support. He simply promises people the world, grand statements about putting "American Steel into the spine of the US", "Making America Great Again" and people just lap it up.

They are words. Nothing more. He tells people what they want to hear and is like "Yeah we'll do this, and this, and yep we'll totally do that too!" with very little idea of how any of it is actually going to happen or be vaguely possible (because most of it isn't).

"Speech that would convince most people on here to support him"? Anyone who finds themselves swayed or convinced by any contrived slice of oratory, in any situation, is an idiot. The same people who are swayed into buying any product because the advertising was good. That's all it is. Advertising. And the product very rarely lives up to the hype.

...He's the "No Man's Sky" of candidates.

I actually agree with most of your post T.S.

But your points apply equally to ALL political aspirants to any 'High Office' in ANY Democratic country of the world, not just to Donald Trump and the USA Presidential race.

Further;

Although, as you rightly say, MOST pre-Election promises made by politicians seeking office are NOT kept, NO ONE can ever absolutely state with total certainty that such promises will definitely not be kept, because such prescience cannot be verified until after the election - indeed, after the term of office of the Elected politician who made the promises has actually ended.

Then, and ONLY then, can anyone say with absolute certainty that pre-Election promises were NOT kept.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I actually agree with most of your post T.S.

But your points apply equally to ALL political aspirants to any 'High Office' in ANY Democratic country of the world, not just to Donald Trump and the USA Presidential race.

Further;

Although, as you rightly say, MOST pre-Election promises made by politicians seeking office are NOT kept, NO ONE can ever absolutely state with total certainty that such promises will definitely not be kept, because such prescience cannot be verified until after the election - indeed, after the term of office of the Elected politician who made the promises has actually ended.

Then, and ONLY then, can anyone say with absolute certainty that pre-Election promises were NOT kept.

True, it's the system that's a mess more than any one candidate. The other "side" of Trump support being those who don't believe his rhetoric, but think that electing someone like Trump will "change the game"... which I very much doubt it will.

[Withano]

I got to 56 seconds. Why is he talking about divisions being a bad thing when basically saying we need more of it is why hes doing so well in the first place? I wont watch the rest for my sanity.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

I got to 56 seconds. Why is he talking about divisions being a bad thing when basically saying we need more of it is why hes doing so well in the first place? I wont watch the rest for my sanity.

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Wait wait wait wait wait...

Wait...

...wait...

...Liberty4eva is female?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Yeh i wasnt planning on sticking around, the -I love Trump and so should you- threads are nauseating. I didnt reply with anything i thought was worth discussing, i just left a throwaway statement after wasting my time here for a bit.. But a thread with a video which lasts 36 minutes and shows obvious flaws in the first 1 minute shouldnt be taken seriously really so im not sure if this thread has a place on the SERIOUS debates section at all. I suppose thats a debate in itself which im open to discussing. Unless somebody with a good reputation round here can promise me that the last 35 isnt more of the exact same then i think my opinion is just as valid as yours, and i dont think youve said anything worthwhile here either.

If you want to dismiss the feelings of those who only watched one minute of the video, then perhaps dont reply to their comments? That is well within your capabilities. But I've noticed before and not for the first time in a serious debates thread that youre very bad at this and often spend your words being confused and angry at people who disagree with you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not for the first time in Serious Debate threads, you have just DISQUALIFIED yourself from any right to be even contributing to this debate, and negated any validity which your comments may have otherwise have had.

The OP SPECIFICALLY presented a video of a Donald Trump speech upon which her ENTIRE premise is centred.

How can ANYONE contribute to a debate when - by their own admission they have NOT watched the video which is pivotal to such debate?

A post which criticises, condemns, disputes or dismisses another poster's premise without comprehensive examination of that premise, is more bigoted comment than contributory discussion.

And I AM referring to your posts here NOT you personally, just to be perfectly clear.

Nobody needs permission to post do they Kirk? well not yours at least :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody needs permission to post do they Kirk? well not yours at least :/

Will you please at least TRY to confine your responses to my posts to what I am actually CLEARLY saying in them Kizzy, and NOT what you misunderstand me to be saying, or what you deliberately want to make it appear that I am saying?

Nowhere do I say or even INTIMATE that Withano needs my permission to post.

I CLEARLY said that by his OWN admission of NOT having watched the video which is the premise of this debate, he had DISQUALIFIED himself from contributing.

How can one add anything to a debate when he admits to deliberately NOT familiarising himself with the premise?

[Tom4784]

Nothing could make me support him when his policies are both flimsy and beneficial to the wrong people.

That's without taking into account that he has zero leadership qualities, his repugnant personality, and most importantly of all, his lack of political and democratic skill and prowess.