[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedoc...08675r2en8.pdf


We have a responsibility as an EU member, (we are still in the EU) as such whoever is pulling the trigger becomes irrelevant.

We have no responsibility to the EU in this case. The EU voted for an arms embargo... but it is not legally binding so neither the UK nor the EU has a valid embargo against Saudi.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

We have no responsibility to the EU in this case. The EU voted for an arms embargo... but it is not legally binding so neither the UK nor the EU has a valid embargo against Saudi.

Nope, we are just in violation.

'While the European Parliament has a rather limited role in EU foreign policy, by calling EU Member States to order over their arms transfer practices it has demonstrated a welcome commitment to scrutinising the implementation of the EU Common Position on arms exports. And although the Common Position notes that “the decision to transfer or deny the transfer of any military technology or equipment shall remain at the national discretion of each Member State”, it creates a legal obligation on Member States to ensure the conformity of their national policies with its provisions (see Article 29 of the Treaty on European Union).

Therefore, while some EU Member States have supplied and continue to authorise arms transfers to Saudi Arabia and coalition countries that are at risk of being used in the conflict, the EP Resolution recognises that “such transfers are in violation of [EU] Common Position 2008/944/CFSP on arms export control, which explicitly rules out the authorising of arms licences by Member States if there is a clear risk that the military technology or equipment to be exported might be used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law and to undermine regional peace, security and stability.”

In addition, the Resolution’s call for the establishment of an EU arms embargo was supported by a majority of Members of the European Parliament (359 voted in favour, 212 against and 31 abstained) and received significant cross-party and cross-country backing, in spite of intense Saudi lobbying against the resolution.'

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/news-an...rabia-now-what

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

Nope, we are just in violation.

'While the European Parliament has a rather limited role in EU foreign policy, by calling EU Member States to order over their arms transfer practices it has demonstrated a welcome commitment to scrutinising the implementation of the EU Common Position on arms exports. And although the Common Position notes that “the decision to transfer or deny the transfer of any military technology or equipment shall remain at the national discretion of each Member State”, it creates a legal obligation on Member States to ensure the conformity of their national policies with its provisions (see Article 29 of the Treaty on European Union).

Therefore, while some EU Member States have supplied and continue to authorise arms transfers to Saudi Arabia and coalition countries that are at risk of being used in the conflict, the EP Resolution recognises that “such transfers are in violation of [EU] Common Position 2008/944/CFSP on arms export control, which explicitly rules out the authorising of arms licences by Member States if there is a clear risk that the military technology or equipment to be exported might be used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law and to undermine regional peace, security and stability.”

In addition, the Resolution’s call for the establishment of an EU arms embargo was supported by a majority of Members of the European Parliament (359 voted in favour, 212 against and 31 abstained) and received significant cross-party and cross-country backing, in spite of intense Saudi lobbying against the resolution.'

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/news-an...rabia-now-what

Its doubtful that many on here will be interested in that nice little snippet of information.

Sighs... did you only research this because you hate Britain? !!

[DemolitionRed]

If we arm one side of a war then we support that side… simple as. If we arm a country like Saudi which has violated international humanitarian law both in Yemen and Syria (by arming ISIS,) then we have to take some responsibility for the 10,000 lives lost and the thousands now dying from disease and starvation. If you don't get that, then I feel sorry for you.

Sighs...seriously, what has any of this got to do with hating Britain?

I don't want Britain to aid the war on Yemen= I hate Britain

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If we arm one side of a war then we support that side… simple as. If we arm a country like Saudi which has violated international humanitarian law both in Yemen and Syria (by arming ISIS,) then we have to take some responsibility for the 10,000 lives lost and the thousands now dying from disease and starvation. If you don't get that, then I feel sorry for you.

Sigh...seriously, what has any of this got to do with hating Britain?

I don't want Britain to aid the war on Yemen= I hate Britain

Doing business with a country does not mean you support them. France sold Argentina the Exocet missile during the Falklands conflict, missiles which killed some of our troops. Does that mean that they support Argentina and are no longer our ally? And are we going to hear you moan about France for that, and hold them accountable for the war? No of course not. And if you don't get that, it is I who feel sorry for you.

[empire]

the politicians in this country and in europe, and the level of arrogance that these f''kwits tell there fellow citizens that we have to abide by there laws, culture and norms, and even the beliefs of these guys who just arrive in the west, and I heard that one thousand muslims marched in a very posh area of london demanding that the city be a caliphate, and I bet the rich folks will change there tune after these guys walked past there street, I think people in this country and in europe don't want to admit it, but we are already in a ethnic and religious war,

[Kizzy]

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

The will of the people is Brexit but you seem keen for someone to put a spanner in the works on that.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

We can't live in our colonialist bubbles forever can we? I am fiercely proud of our anti establishment, civil liberty, social justice heritage that is what makes me proud to be British, no matter what anyone says it is not in our nature to roll over.
The only thing great about Britain and of course the rest of the UK is the will of the people,
this is what I feel is under the greatest threat.

Brillowpad

The will of the people is Brexit but you seem keen for someone to put a spanner in the works on that.

The will of just over half the population (including me) is Brexit but lets remember that nearly half "the people" were against it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The will of just over half the population (including me) is Brexit but lets remember that nearly half "the people" were against it.

That's how the voting system works, and it was about another million more. In any public vote those with less votes have to accept defeat and make the best of it. Everyone can't get what they want, someone has to lose. Constantly whinging and moaning about it doesn't reflect well on the losing side.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's how the voting system works, and it was about another million more. In any public vote those with less votes have to accept defeat and make the best of it. Everyone can't get what they want, someone has to lose. Constantly whinging and moaning about it doesn't reflect well on the losing side.