[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Eh? How do you work that one out? Even if every seat in Scotland went to labour in 2015, the tories still would have had a majority.

I get what you are saying about this election though, but keep in mind less than a quarter of Scotland's MPs are tories, in England more than half are tories.

If only a few of those seats didn't turn there would be no chance of DUP coalition

Nicci Scherz ruined it with her indyref obsession

[user104658]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If only a few of those seats didn't turn there would be no chance of DUP coalition

Nicci Scherz ruined it with her indyref obsession

To be fair though, I don't see how England - with over 300 Tory seats - can blame Scotland for the whole thing for having TWELVE out of 59... Despite the losses, Scotland is still something like 80% "non-tory" whereas England on its own is more than 50% Tory seats. The rhetoric of Scotland "going Tory" is a bit exaggerated.

In other words, if you take Scotland completely out of the equation, the "post" sits at 296 seats and the Tories (with 302 seats) would have a majority government in place, albeit a very slim one.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Eh? How do you work that one out? Even if every seat in Scotland went to labour in 2015, the tories still would have had a majority.

I get what you are saying about this election though, but keep in mind less than a quarter of Scotland's MPs are tories, in England more than half are tories.

Okay that's a fair point, but at least Labour wouldn't have been in as weaker position as they were this election. Don't worry, I hate the English more than the Scots.

It's just annoying that if the 9 seats the SNP lost to the Tories had stayed yellow, the latter would only be on 309. The 44 seats the SNP then had, combined with Labour's 261, the LD's 12, Plaid's 5 and the Green's 1, would've been enough to vote down a Tory minority government, and hopefully pass a Labour Queen's Speech.

But I lay the blame for this as Scottish Labour's piss poor campaign. Much like many others, Dugdale should've got behind Corbyn.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay that's a fair point, but at least Labour wouldn't have been in as weaker position as they were this election. Don't worry, I hate the English more than the Scots.

It's just annoying that if the 9 seats the SNP lost to the Tories had stayed yellow, the latter would only be on 309. The 44 seats the SNP then had, combined with Labour's 261, the LD's 12, Plaid's 5 and the Green's 1, would've been enough to vote down a Tory minority government, and hopefully pass a Labour Queen's Speech.

But I lay the blame for this as Scottish Labour's piss poor campaign. Much like many others, Dugdale should've got behind Corbyn.

Does that mean you hate the Scots or not? I can't tell.

[user104658]

I think the DUP will exploit the partnership in ways that will make the Tories look like they're over a barrel, and won't really be sustainable.

[the truth]

DUP are right wing so it will probably last a while

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

DUP are right wing so it will probably last a while

They've never shown any interest in UK domestic politics outside of Ireland though, and also if you look at their voting record in the past, they have been against a tonne of Tory austerity policies. They're going to trade support in votes for things that will benefit them in NI as that's their major concern... Overall it makes the Tories look weak, and the concessions they do make to the DUP won't sit well with English voters at all.

[Vicky.]

Hardly obliterated. But yes, the Scottish people seem to have spoken for a second time on this referendum. Sturgeon was beginning to look a bit of a joke with the vote of a lifetime just being done over again and again until she got the result she wanted...which would have been how it went.

[the truth]

damn she is boring

[Withano]

The next election will be so tense. Theyre only gonna lose more seats as time goes on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

The next election will be so tense. Theyre only gonna lose more seats as time goes on.

If they focus heavily on indy going forward then yes, if not I think they'll settle naturally in the 30/35 range which I feel is probably more realistic than the numbers from 2015. I'd say that was the "freak result", more than anything else.

[the truth]

Loving the scottish result , why? well because we are keeping that mighty nation united with the rets of our kingdom forever. The way jimmy cranky tried to break up the UK at the exact moment we needed unity was a disgrace. Cranky needs to go now, shes a far bigger threat to the UK and brexit than may or anyone else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Loving the scottish result , why? well because we are keeping that mighty nation united with the rets of our kingdom forever. The way jimmy cranky tried to break up the UK at the exact moment we needed unity was a disgrace. Cranky needs to go now, shes a far bigger threat to the UK and brexit than may or anyone else

It's a complicated situation really... A lot of people who want independence in Scotland are really looking for a way to escape Tory austerity, and would be much happier to stay in the union under a fairer Westminster government. Labour or even a "less hard line" Tory.

[Beso]

I have been working all day Has wee jimmy had the cheek to say may should resign yet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I have been working all day Has wee jimmy had the cheek to say may should resign yet?

she won by a large margin so I very much doubt that.



Just becuase a team wins a cup 5-0 one year and 2-0 the next does not mean anything other than they won 2 cups and the rest won hee-haw

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bare acts are that Scotland has better politicians at the moment


more credible, more truthful and more dedicated to the job in hand

they are also seen as so by the people unlike that shower in England who nobody likes or trusts

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The bare acts are that Scotland has better politicians at the moment


more credible, more truthful and more dedicated to the job in hand

they are also seen as so by the people unlike that shower in England who nobody likes or trusts

I will agree to be fair, the Scottish Conservatives simply ran a much better campaign than May. Yes there was a heavy focus on Indy issues but also, a generally more positive and progressive message in their campaign material, almost totally at odds with May's "Austerity and terror!" material. Of course it might just be flashing lights and empty promises but whatever it is, it seems to have been more effective.

[user104658]

To add to that, I would also suggest a reason; politics simply works better on a smaller scale focussing on local issues. There's a very strong argument for devolution of regions across England, in my opinion, with London handling only the major issues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP are the only people who have been round my house in 15 years. They have a regular stall in the village square once a month (in all weathers). I have actually met my MP in town, they sent me 3 personal letters in an envelope in the last 8 weeks.

They have signs and banners in fields all around the valley. They make an effeort to earn the vote around here and people respond, forget if they are left or right, they make an effort.

If i was to say who was next it would be conservatives. Yes I know parties target seats but it is worth noting that hard work will get you votes.

[user104658]

I'm sure I said on another thread... Or maybe this one... Labour are currently invisible in Scotland. The unionist vote was always going to mainly go Tory because the Labour candidates were just sitting on their hands.

[Jack_]

Well I didn't, but now they've elected some Tories

Nah

[Crimson Dynamo]

have you seen the "head" of labour in Scotland?

without being nasty

No one takes her seriously, not least wee Burnie