[joeysteele]

I'd rather Raph had saved Isabelle but he likely expected someone else would.
Also from her going in Sue has only been nice to Raph anyway.
She's had issues with some but never with Raph.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Raph and Charlotte are both dicks.

Raph for choosing ****ing Sue over his good friend Isy and Charlotte owed Isy for giving up meeting her family.

Couldn't agree more about Raph. Made no sense to me - they've supposedly been close friends since Isabelle's arrival, yet he showed no sense of loyalty at all. Whether that was thoughtlessness or something more crafty, he lost my support tonight.

Andrew is definitely close to Isabelle but is clearly best mates with Charlotte who just happens to sleep in the other room, so the bed situation isn't an indication.

And you've got a good point here about Charlotte owing Isabelle for sacrificing her visit from family earlier in the week for Charlotte's benefit.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

So so sly. He has exposed his lack of loyalty tonight.

I have said it all along...he has NO loyalty. Regardless of whether he thought Andrew would save her wouldn't you think he would do it anyway?...but Sue of all people?...because she cannot win the big prize...he isn't stupid and hopefully people will now see he will tread on anyone who gets in his way to reach the final.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't like him doing that tbh.

I get what he was thinking, but I think that he was very disloyal there by not saving Isabelle.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I think he just thought that Andrew would save her. He thought Sue was being ganged up on a bit and didn't want her to be targetted constantly, especially after the last task.

You could see he was genuinely upset about it and regretted it afterwards, he wasn't sly.

Just save your ****ing friends...don't assume anything. Raph has no loyalty to Sue...he picked her because she is no challenge for the ultimate prize.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Withano

Dick move. I cant even understand it from his perspective, and I've been trying.

Like Amy said Withano...she is no threat to his game.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Just save your ****ing friends...don't assume anything. Raph has no loyalty to Sue...he picked her because she is no challenge for the ultimate prize.

His reason imo was he knows that he is very likely to go up next week, and he wanted to face Sue knowing that she would easily lose to him.

Chanelle however made it backfire on him as her game was to put up people that would be even more controversial than she is which was a clever strategy from her.

Raph didn't play his cards right tonight, and neither did Ellie.

Deborah's path to victory is being made a whole lot easier.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

But... he's not the only one to blame.

Raph was her biggest hope...who else would have picked her? Chanelle was out of the loop. The sisters were always going to vote each other...and Andrew is clearly closer to Charlotte...Raphs choice was unforgiveable.
But Isabelle is too forgiving...fair play to her. Her unselfishness this week will ring alarm bells for Raph...he knows that will gain her support and Raphs regret is just an act...he will be glad she's up because she is a threat to him winning.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Couldn't agree more about Raph. Made no sense to me - they've supposedly been close friends since Isabelle's arrival, yet he showed no sense of loyalty at all. Whether that was thoughtlessness or something more crafty, he lost my support tonight.

Andrew is definitely close to Isabelle but is clearly best mates with Charlotte who just happens to sleep in the other room, so the bed situation isn't an indication.

And you've got a good point here about Charlotte owing Isabelle for sacrificing her visit from family earlier in the week for Charlotte's benefit.

But Charlotte is close to Andrew and probably thought no one would save him...and she was right.
Raph knows Andrew is closer to Charlotte than Isabelle...he knew exactly what he was doing. Isabelle is a big threat to him.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Just save your ****ing friends...don't assume anything. Raph has no loyalty to Sue...he picked her because she is no challenge for the ultimate prize.

Why is that a bad thing, when the aim is to get to the end and win?

Honestly this decision is the only thing Raph has done that has disappointed me this whole series, so I won't stop supporting him over it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But Charlotte is close to Andrew and probably thought no one would save him...and she was right.
Raph knows Andrew is closer to Charlotte than Isabelle...he knew exactly what he was doing. Isabelle is a big threat to him.

Why didn't Charlotte save Ellie though who is clearly Charlotte's best friend in the house?

And more interestingly why didn't Ellie save Sam who she's closest to in the house apparently?

It's not just Raph that did something wrong tonight yet he is the only one getting threads on him for the same decision that the two girls made. How does that work?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

His reason imo was he knows that he is very likely to go up next week, and he wanted to face Sue knowing that she would easily lose to him.

Chanelle however made it backfire on him as her game was to put up people that would be even more controversial than she is which was a clever strategy from her.

Raph didn't play his cards right tonight, and neither did Ellie.

Deborah's path to victory is being made a whole lot easier.

Ellie was torn between Sam or Charlotte...she isn't the brightest star. However she wore her heart on her sleeve and voted for her friend. Raphs choice was sheer game playing. You can't blame him for that..it's a game at the end of the day but his fan base is based on his 'nice guy' image and tonight proved he isn't a nice guy but a ruthless gameplayer.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ellie was torn between Sam or Charlotte...she isn't the brightest star. However she wore her heart on her sleeve and voted for her friend. Raphs choice was sheer game playing. You can't blame him for that..it's a game at the end of the day but his fan base is based on his 'nice guy' image and tonight proved he isn't a nice guy but a ruthless gameplayer.

BIB, no she was playing the game and decided to keep the one in that won't split votes with her over the one that could (Sam) just because you like Ellie more than Raph doesn't mean that she didn't do the exact same move.

[Paula D]

He's gonna regret this move big time.

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[supertv247]

I just don't get why Sue saved Hannah knowing fine well Deborah and Hannah would save each other

[SteveG2688]

Im shocked he saved Sue. I thought it would have been Issy he saved tbh.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by supertv247

I just don't get why Sue saved Hannah knowing fine well Deborah and Hannah would save each other

Hannah is the only other person I have seen have a conversation with Sue tbf

[Locke.]

A risky move that backfired horribly

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Why is that a bad thing, when the aim is to get to the end and win?

Honestly this decision is the only thing Raph has done that has disappointed me this whole series, so I won't stop supporting him over it.

I admire your support for him. His decision may well get him to the final BUT even his loyal fans have seen his gameplay tonight and the 'Mr Nice Guy' has fallen off the pedastal and it will be a kick in the teeth for those that have defended him for being a loyal friend.
I think his loyal followers on here will defend his decision by deflecting blame..he will still be supported.
To me and others he just exposed what we have been saying all along and he may well get to the final but he won't win.
Getting to the final will be an achievement but not winning will be a big failure for Raph.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Paula D

He's gonna regret this move big time.

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He had time to think about it too...big mistake and it could cost him dearly.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Time

The fact that it was Sue he saved is even more surprising.

Totally.I was shocked tbh

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB, no she was playing the game and decided to keep the one in that won't split votes with her over the one that could (Sam) just because you like Ellie more than Raph doesn't mean that she didn't do the exact same move.

I don't like Ellie...
I like Kieron, Deborah , Charlotte and now liking Isabelle.


....and I don't think Ellie is that smart.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I didn't like him doing that tbh.

I get what he was thinking, but I think that he was very disloyal there by not saving Isabelle.

His thinking felt like subtle gameplanning. I'm not even in the house and I knew Andrew would save Charlotte - surely Raph would consider this too?
Sure Sue wasess likely to be immune than Issy, but idk I just found it pathetic

[Vanessa]

Raph said that he thought Andrew was going to save Issy. Sam is the one to blame here. He should have put himself up. Instead he was a selfish bastard.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Raph said that he thought Andrew was going to save Issy. Sam is the one to blame here. He should have put himself up. Instead he was a selfish bastard.

How can you call Sam names Vanessa when it was Raph who failed to save his friend Isabelle, if Raph had done what Sam did you'de be praising him, isabelle and Raph have known each other for weeks,so why would he think Andrew would save her just because they share a bed and why shouldn't someone try to save themselves for 15K ? none of them are best buddies.