[michael21]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

Dont you watch the new police do that al the time

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

What a hypocrite though, digging for dirt then bleating when dirt is dished....tsk!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

I agree.

The answer likely to be given is he/they have been uncomfortable all this time as to what they came across on his computer.
Plus in light of the new allegations made against him, perhaps something ought to have been further looked at then.

However,I agree with you.

By all means express their concerns to the police directly but to be able to 'in effect smear ' someone when they took no action, seems both unjust and unprofessional.

[user104658]

Who DOWNLOADS porn though . Has he not heard of streaming / incognito mode?

[bots]

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low

No they are mates
Damian was his Campaign Manager
way back when David was running for PM.

Also despite the Evening Standard
headline , David has said he is not
threatening to resign.

Ref: Fridays D.P BBC2HD.
& SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who DOWNLOADS porn though . Has he not heard of streaming / incognito mode?

9 years or so back
Prof TS.



This whole case
is waste of time and money.
Dodgy Ex -Coppers getting revenge?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I find it weird that former police officers are allowed to publicly reveal what they found on material that was seized as part of a police investigation

I have to agree with you here and it sets a worrying precedent. Does this mean anyone who hasn't done anything actually illegal can be 'outed' by the police years later for something like legal porn. It seems very unfair. I disagree with those who said the public have a right to know, it's none of our business if he likes to look at naughty pics so long as they aren't illegal and they aren't interfering in the execution of his job. This feels like an incredible breach by those in a position of trust. Where does it end? Can the police also now out you for being gay if you aren't ready yourself, or tell the world you've converted religion or are an athiest?

Having said that we are also talking about an office computer. Anyone could have downloaded that stuff from an employee to someone trying to discredit him/his office. This whole thing is very dodgy indeed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

David Davis threatening to resign makes me think he also partook. Here is the man we have entrusted to lead the brexit negotiations, threatening resignation over an issue of porn, it really is a new low

If he has threatened to resign it is probably more likely to be over the fact no crime has been committed and that those who have 'outed' this information have done something pretty unethical. So if his friend/colleague loses his job over it, that would be very wrong.

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I have to agree with you here and it sets a worrying precedent. Does this mean anyone who hasn't done anything actually illegal can be 'outed' by the police years later for something like legal porn. It seems very unfair. I disagree with those who said the public have a right to know, it's none of our business if he likes to look at naughty pics so long as they aren't illegal and they aren't interfering in the execution of his job. This feels like an incredible breach by those in a position of trust.

Having said that we are also talking about an office computer. Anyone could have downloaded that stuff from an employee to someone trying to discredit him/his office. This whole thing is very dodgy indeed.

As i said in my opening post. This is a complex one, which is why i thought it worthy of discussion.

There was nothing illegal in what the police found. The committee investigating his conduct did not contact these guys for input, which "seems" to have driven their need to speak out. However, they are both now ex police, so why would they be contacted, the committee would engage with the responsible police force, not retired individuals.

The porn on his computer was not related to their investigation at the time and was perfectly legal. They were investigating how he had got his hands on confidential information that he subsequently leaked to the press, nothing to do with porn. Given that, why were they even investigating who downloaded the porn and when. I think their objective was to discredit him because he leaked information, they may even have been paid a back hander to "find" something, and are still being paid to this day.

The other side to this is that this computer was in his parliamentary office. He deals with sensitive information, it should have been properly secured. It's standard practice for companies to immediately dismiss people for downloading porn, why should he be treated differently?

Of course, they haven't proven he actually did it, was it planted on the computer by those policemen? The whole thing stinks from whichever angle you look at it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

The answer likely to be given is he/they have been uncomfortable all this time as to what they came across on his computer.
Plus in light of the new allegations made against him, perhaps something ought to have been further looked at then.

However,I agree with you.

By all means express their concerns to the police directly but to be able to 'in effect smear ' someone when they took no action, seems both unjust and unprofessional.

The thing is we have a rule of law in this country that says you are innocent until proven guilty. When someone goes on trial, previous convictions are never revealed until after the verdict in case they sway the jury/court. If this guy is being accused of something then outing him in this way is an attempt to make him seem guilty and that goes against the principle of the law. Police or former police should know better. Say this guy went to trial for assault, how would he ever get a fair trial now?

[joeysteele]

I think a point is being overlooked here, if Damien Green has to lose his job,it will not likely be at all for porn on his work computer.

It will be due to the allegations of improper conduct made against him being upheld.
Just in case the allegations are upheld,David Davis may be wiser to refrain from saying too much really.

[Kizzy]

Police shouldn't be getting involved in politits?... Were the tories saying that at Orgreave? Or Hiillsborough?

Hypocritical slimy toads!


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rn-revelations

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The thing is we have a rule of law in this country that says you are innocent until proven guilty. When someone goes on trial, previous convictions are never revealed until after the verdict in case they sway the jury/court. If this guy is being accused of something then outing him in this way is an attempt to make him seem guilty and that goes against the principle of the law. Police or former police should know better. Say this guy went to trial for assault, how would he ever get a fair trial now?

We have a rule of law in this Country exactly as you put it.
Since law is my work,very sadly the norm is fast becoming as to media and some of the public,that you are guilty until proven innocent.
Even then,the stigma stays,even when found innocent.

Anyone on a workplace now,under any investigation are far more likely to be at least suspended even of protesting their innocence.

The last few years,and now presently have people making allegations left,right and centre.
Those the allegations against,should be seen as innocent until proven guilty in law.
However already with even no charges in some cases,careers are near in ruins after trial by media and armchair judges particularly.

Innocent until proven guilty should be how things are across the board,in practice of over the recent past and now,that is just about thrown out the window now.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We have a rule of law in this Country exactly as you put it.
Since law is my work,very sadly the norm is fast becoming as to media and some of the public,that you are guilty until proven innocent.
Even then,the stigma stays,even when found innocent.

Anyone on a workplace now,under any investigation are far more likely to be at least suspended even of protesting their innocence.

The last few years,and now presently have people making allegations left,right and centre.
Those the allegations against,should be seen as innocent until proven guilty in law.
However already with even no charges in some cases,careers are near in ruins after trial by media and armchair judges particularly.

Innocent until proven guilty should be how things are across the board,in practice of over the recent past and now,that is just about thrown out the window now.

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

[Kizzy]

Have you seen the note in the article... I touched on it earlier, it specifically refers to any journalists involved, it was never going to get to court due to parliamentary privilege ...so how were we to know?

[Kizzy]

The guy who was passing on info worked in Jacqui Smiths office, she had to resign due to an expenses scandal that exposed her husband had put his porn habit of 2 movies a week on her expenses... Was Green the one who outed that and was the porn on his comp the evidence against Smiths husband? :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

I agree.

Shocking it is.
A very sad and bad road to be going down in my view.

[Northern Monkey]

Part of me wonders if this is some kind of plot to bring down the May government.If Green and Davis go will Theresa fall?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Part of me wonders if this is some kind of plot to bring down the May government.If Green and Davis go will Theresa fall?

How ironic then that the whole sorry affair stems from him attempting to bring down the last Labour government...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Trial by media, terrible situation we find ourselves in Joey.

Agreed.

I find it shocking,a really sad and bad road to go down.

[arista]

Police Commissioner Clarissa Dick
has said she may prosecute those 2 ex coppers
if its proved they are wrong

Ref: LBC/SkyNewsHD / BBC1 6PM news.

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Police Commissioner Clarissa Dick
has said she may prosecute those 2 ex coppers
if its proved they are wrong

Ref: LBC/SkyNewsHD / BBC1 6PM news.

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.

Very True

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it shouldn't be based on whether the allegations they have made are true or false. They breached police confidentiality rules. They should be up in court for that.

Yes, and it would be interesting to find out how much they were paid.
Or if it was indeed a grudge paid back.