[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Can we just address that a gay man, a transexual woman, a black man, a transexual man, a deaf man, a former prostitute and someone with Tourettes have all won big brother.

I doubt a black woman will ever win though
Think Shilpa was the closest and she was Indian.

But I don't care about the minority argument,as Ginuwine didn't have a chance . But John shouldn't of been back doored but whatever at least he made idiots realise he's not prejudice.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I doubt a black woman will ever win though
Think Shilpa was the closest and she was Indian.

But I don't care about the minority argument,as Ginuwine didn't have a chance . But John shouldn't of been back doored but whatever at least he made idiots realise he's not prejudice.

Why does it matter if a persons skin colour is black?

A winner should win due to their time in the house entertaining the nation.

Viewers are extremely scared they should be pro black or pro Indian, trans ect just sit back and enjoy their personalities.

Your post is everything wrong with people being over pc....you're judging others on voting out people who are a different culture yet you probably don't care but feel you should so jump on the bandwagon even though the 2 black housemates were evicted because they SUCKED!

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Why does it matter if a persons skin colour is black?

A winner should win due to their time in the house entertaining the nation.

Viewers are extremely scared they should be pro black or pro Indian, trans ect just sit back and enjoy their personalities.

Your post is everything wrong with people being over pc....you're judging others on voting out people who are a different culture yet you probably don't care but feel you should so jump on the bandwagon even though the 2 black housemates were evicted because they SUCKED!

great post ty you saved me from writing a mini-novel response to a few posts in here lol

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

great post ty you saved me from writing a mini-novel response to a few posts in here lol

You're welcome

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Why does it matter if a persons skin colour is black?

A winner should win due to their time in the house entertaining the nation.

Viewers are extremely scared they should be pro black or pro Indian, trans ect just sit back and enjoy their personalities.

Your post is everything wrong with people being over pc....you're judging others on voting out people who are a different culture yet you probably don't care but feel you should so jump on the bandwagon even though the 2 black housemates were evicted because they SUCKED!

I'm not the one being PC mad on here everytime somebody says something they don't like.

I just said it as a joke tbh,I'm not bothered. And it's debate able on past winners being good or deserving .

There's a few idiots who get kept in because they're popular but they don't deserve to win let alone get to the final but that's how reality TV works.

John DIDN'T deserve the backdoor but people got over sensitive over something minor he said ,he was at least being honest unlike the fakes in there who sit on the fence in case they offend .

Ann says what she wants and still has a big following. John had fans too but on here people got upset and now after they watched his interview with Emma ,now they like him again and realise he isn't a bad guy. FICKLE AF .

Ginuwine however I'm not bothered by,but I would of wanted Daniel to go instead .

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm not the one being PC mad on here everytime somebody says something they don't like.

I just said it as a joke tbh,I'm not bothered. And it's debate able on past winners being good or deserving .

There's a few idiots who get kept in because they're popular but they don't deserve to win let alone get to the final but that's how reality TV works.

John DIDN'T deserve the backdoor but people got over sensitive over something minor he said ,he was at least being honest unlike the fakes in there who sit on the fence in case they offend .

Ann says what she wants and still has a big following. John had fans too but on here people got upset and now after they watched his interview with Emma ,now they like him again and realise he isn't a bad guy. FICKLE AF .

Ginuwine however I'm not bothered by,but I would of wanted Daniel to go instead .

John was dull hence he was evicted, ginuwine was dull hence he was evicted.

Nothing to do with race.

Most of the housemates this year have been completely honest about their beliefs and feeling towards other people's opinions they don't agree with its not following its about character.....Ann is a bigot but is a character.

Thank **** bb haven't kicked anyone out this year for expressing an opinion.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Can we just address that a gay man, a transexual woman, a black man, a transexual man, a deaf man, a former prostitute and someone with Tourettes have all won big brother.

big woop ive got gay friends! the gbp are racist. ADMIT IT!

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

big woop ive got gay friends! the gbp are racist. ADMIT IT!

Maybe you are? I'm not.

[Jarvio]

It's kind of weird really because the majority of first evictees are female, yet on this forum females are always way more popular than males

[Ant.]

-Wayne, Amanda and Shane J are all triple evicted-

Emma: so why do yall think you're sat here tonight?
-awkward silence before someone points out they are all el bee gee tee plus-
Wayne: well-
Emma: hereS YA BEST BITS AGAIN!

[Robodog]

This thread talks about minorities, or the 'groups' which the HMs belong to. This means seeing the HMs in a certain way.
Not judging the HMs as individuals, but judging them according to their 'type' or their 'category' (race, gender, sexuality etc).

This way of thinking is called collectivist thinking.

Collectivist thinking doesn't judge people as individuals, but instead judges everyone according to their type (their race, their gender, their sexual orientation etc).
Collectivists see all society not made up of individuals, but made up of 'groups'.

So instead of seeing John Barnes simply as 'John Barnes', collectivists would see him as 'a black man', or they'd see Ashley as 'a white woman', or see Shane J as 'a homosexual' etc etc

This type of thinking is a way of generalising people, and it usually comes with a judgement system for those generalisations, almost like a rating system.

So for example, 'racial collectivists' (such as the KKK or Black Lives Matter) would perceive then judge people according to their race, and would rate them accordingly:

Some people think blacks are the problem. Some think whites are the problem.
Some men are misogynists, some feminists hate men.
Jews, Muslims, Christians etc all have their divisions, their judgements of each other and their history of conflict.
Same with wars between nations.

It all comes from collectivist thinking.

Sometimes this collectivist thinking has good intentions, for example in order to have diversity people have to be perceived and judged not as individuals, but purely according to their racial type/gender/sexuality/religion etc in order to tick the boxes and meet the goals of diversity.

The irony being that, however well-intended, that is the same type of thinking as racism: to judge people according to their type and place them accordingly.

Is it healthy to see and separate us all off like this, to judge and rate us all in this way?

Is it not better to see us all as the individuals we are, regardless of our 'type'?

Surely it's better to remember the words of Martin Luther King:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Martin Luther King, Jr.


Individual thinking or Collectivist thinking?

YOU decide

!

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Robodog

This thread talks about minorities, or the 'groups' which the HMs belong to. This means seeing the HMs in a certain way.
Not judging the HMs as individuals, but judging them according to their 'type' or their 'category' (race, gender, sexuality etc).

This way of thinking is called collectivist thinking.

Collectivist thinking doesn't judge people as individuals, but instead judges everyone according to their type (their race, their gender, their sexual orientation etc).
Collectivists see all society not made up of individuals, but made up of 'groups'.

So instead of seeing John Barnes simply as 'John Barnes', collectivists would see him as 'a black man', or they'd see Ashley as 'a white woman', or see Shane J as 'a homosexual' etc etc

This type of thinking is a way of generalising people, and it usually comes with a judgement system for those generalisations, almost like a rating system.

So for example, 'racial collectivists' (such as the KKK or Black Lives Matter) would perceive then judge people according to their race, and would rate them accordingly:

Some people think blacks are the problem. Some think whites are the problem.
Some men are misogynists, some feminists hate men.
Jews, Muslims, Christians etc all have their divisions, their judgements of each other and their history of conflict.
Same with wars between nations.

It all comes from collectivist thinking.

Sometimes this collectivist thinking has good intentions, for example in order to have diversity people have to be perceived and judged not as individuals, but purely according to their racial type/gender/sexuality/religion etc in order to tick the boxes and meet the goals of diversity.

The irony being that, however well-intended, that is the same type of thinking as racism: to judge people according to their type and place them accordingly.

Is it healthy to see and separate us all off like this, to judge and rate us all in this way?

Is it not better to see us all as the individuals we are, regardless of our 'type'?

Surely it's better to remember the words of Martin Luther King:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Martin Luther King, Jr.


Individual thinking or Collectivist thinking?

YOU decide

!

Yup.

Positive discrimination is discrimination nonetheless.

Although I know I can talk because I always want a man out first, but that's just my personal OCD thing lol. Which has been caused by years and years of women going first, which eventually pissed me off.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jarvio

Yup.

Positive discrimination is discrimination nonetheless.

Although I know I can talk because I always want a man out first, but that's just my personal OCD thing lol. Which has been caused by years and years of women going first, which eventually pissed me off.

Ha.

It's true.

We all do it though. Like cheering on our team.

But yeah it was ALWAYS a woman out first, that annoyed me too.
I remember the joy when Andrew Stone was evicted which was first time a guy went out 1st i think?

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Ha.

It's true.

We all do it though. Like cheering on our team.

But yeah it was ALWAYS a woman out first, that annoyed me too.
I remember the joy when Andrew Stone was evicted which was first time a guy went out 1st i think?

It was the 1st time in absolutely years. Chris Eubank and Goldie (CBB1 and 2) went first, but there was hardly any HMs in those series, like 6 each.

Andrew Stone felt like the first lol, it marked the end of an era for me, thankyou Andrew Stone

[Wizard.]

Wow this blew up I was just joking

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Wow this blew up I was just joking

Hard to tell these days !

You sounded like the real deal.

!

Oh well i was in the mood for a random keyboard rant anyway, and maybe someone will get something from all me cyber-waffling

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Wow this blew up I was just joking

Pssh it's TiBB, everything here is a topic generator

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Wow this blew up I was just joking

If you want to joke on this forum, then use the "Tell us a joke" thread. We like misery round these here parts.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Riley.

First they came for the trans. Then women. Now black people Malika next? Followed by Wayne and Shane J?

personally it wouldnt hurt my day if Malika left, she is a non-housemate, and thats nothing to do with the colour of her skin, more to do with her being on a scripted reality show with the Kardashian skin crawlers

I was sorry John went, Daniel should have gone, and I quite liked Ginuwine but Im amazed Andrew wasnt up, I would love to see him go before the final!