[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

in terms of politics it will harden the general public's opinion that the Conservatives are much better with money than labour

Good at keeping it... Not so good at funding the country.



* waits for the inevitable comment in relation to the world wide recession

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You make it all so simple to understand Jamie.

Good to see you back now hopefully the accusations that I ran you off the forum will stop.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

All what suffering? Having to have a McDonalds only once a week instad of the usual five times?

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Spot on Alf, we only suffer if we expect want more than we need.

Or what about my brother having his disability cut. Not having the equipment he desperately needs to lead a good quality of life.

Silly him. All want, want, want.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or what about my brother having his disability cut. Not having the equipment he desperately needs to lead a good quality of life.

Silly him. All want, want, want.

We all want a good quality of life

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We all want a good quality of life

Well, you can go to the toilet unaided, walk where you need to go, feed and clothe yourself so I'd say you've got it good going.

Not everyone is as fortunate.

Again, we're talking about basic needs, not Maccies for tea.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, you can go to the toilet unaided, walk where you need to go, feed and clothe yourself so I'd say you've got it good going.

Not everyone is as fortunate.

Again, we're talking about basic needs, not Maccies for tea.

There are myriad reasons why benefits are cut and raised depending on personal circumstance.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are myriad reasons why benefits are cut and raised depending on personal circumstance.

Yes, and helpless children left without the treatment and help they need to do even the most basic things in life is obviously a priority when it comes to slashing budgets. I'm not talking about personal benefit cuts, I'm talking about the services themselves designed to help, whose hands are tied because they can't afford to actually do what they're there to do.

They could kind of do without snide people who aren't affected making ill-informed comments about "We expect more than we need".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, you can go to the toilet unaided, walk where you need to go, feed and clothe yourself so I'd say you've got it good going.

Not everyone is as fortunate.

Again, we're talking about basic needs, not Maccies for tea.

Sorry to hear about your brother Marsh, I hope he has appealed any decision made many PIP rejections are overturned on appeal.

The feeling shown is one that I have picked up on for a bit and tried to ignore, that the onus is moving away from seeing anyone incapable of self supporting instead of being aided is effectively cast off, as well as there being a generalised impression that they are a drain on resources.

We see this the most in attitudes towards the homeless, there is however a public backlash beginning which is wonderful to see and restores my faith in people in this country.

We are a nation of animal lovers and when you see people being treated worse than dogs at the insistence of the local, regional or national authority then rightly there will be resistance.

[Twosugars]

not to mention mental health services, situation there is beyond bad

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry to hear about your brother Marsh, I hope he has appealed any decision made many PIP rejections are overturned on appeal.

The feeling shown is one that I have picked up on for a bit and tried to ignore, that the onus is moving away from seeing anyone incapable of self supporting instead of being aided is effectively cast off, as well as there being a generalised impression that they are a drain on resources.

We see this the most in attitudes towards the homeless, there is however a public backlash beginning which is wonderful to see and restores my faith in people in this country.

We are a nation of animal lovers and when you see people being treated worse than dogs at the insistence of the local, regional or national authority then rightly there will be resistance.

Thank you.
Oh, he has appeals coming out of his ears. We had to save, and some generous people even set up some fund raising initiatives to get him a motorised wheelchair and finally some semblance of independence.

The animal thing is a funny one, because there's always outrage when animal abuse is in the news but there's always some victimisation when it comes to people.

Sad, but makes my blood boil when I see people who are fortunate enough to find themselves unaffected in any huge way make glib remarks about McDonald's or some other bullsh*t as though anyone struggling is only struggling because they're not doing enough themselves. Or rather, not doing as much as they do.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good to see you back now hopefully the accusations that I ran you off the forum will stop.

You did not run me anywhere, but thank you for the welcome back.

[user104658]

Some of their criteria is ridiculous... my daughter's was cut almost in half because they said there was "no proof" that she required care through the night as well as during the day (she can be awake for 4 - 6 hours through the night several times a week). We asked what would constitute proof, and they said a letter from her paediatrician and a sleep specialist... so, we went to her paediatrician and told her exactly what we had already told them, got a sleep specialist nurse and told her the same (note: neither of them assessed her at night, they just believed us when we described it) and then THEY each wrote letters, saying exactly what we had already told DLA people... and that then apparently counts as proof. it's just bizarre.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Thank you.
Oh, he has appeals coming out of his ears. We had to save, and some generous people even set up some fund raising initiatives to get him a motorised wheelchair and finally some semblance of independence.

The animal thing is a funny one, because there's always outrage when animal abuse is in the news but there's always some victimisation when it comes to people.

Sad, but makes my blood boil when I see people who are fortunate enough to find themselves unaffected in any huge way make glib remarks about McDonald's or some other bullsh*t as though anyone struggling is only struggling because they're not doing enough themselves. Or rather, not doing as much as they do.

Oh that's great, it really needs more people to speak out that all this austerity is not working insofar as it is putting so much pressure on families and communities to bear the weight of supporting those in need...Economists just don't see that all they see is numbers, meanwhile some are really struggling, some are dying and some are just shrugging their shoulders :/

There is a steep rise of 'I'm alright jacks' and it'd really distasteful, it's not 'British' we are always being sold this image of 'Britishness' and 'patriotism' this ideology that allows treatment like this could not be further in my mind to what being 'British stands for.

I hope that public feeling shifts soon, I have a feeling it will the public conscience has been pricked and more and more waking from their apathy towards those in need in society.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Some of their criteria is ridiculous... my daughter's was cut almost in half because they said there was "no proof" that she required care through the night as well as during the day (she can be awake for 4 - 6 hours through the night several times a week). We asked what would constitute proof, and they said a letter from her paediatrician and a sleep specialist... so, we went to her paediatrician and told her exactly what we had already told them, got a sleep specialist nurse and told her the same (note: neither of them assessed her at night, they just believed us when we described it) and then THEY each wrote letters, saying exactly what we had already told DLA people... and that then apparently counts as proof. it's just bizarre.

Oh jeez, you must be knackered.

So I take it she got the DLA back?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh that's great, it really needs more people to speak out that all this austerity is not working insofar as it is putting so much pressure on families and communities to bear the weight of supporting those in need...Economists just don't see that all they see is numbers, meanwhile some are really struggling, some are dying and some are just shrugging their shoulders :/

There is a steep rise of 'I'm alright jacks' and it'd really distasteful, it's not 'British' we are always being sold this image of 'Britishness' and 'patriotism' this ideology that allows treatment like this could not be further in my mind to what being 'British stands for.

I hope that public feeling shifts soon, I have a feeling it will the public conscience has been pricked and more and more waking from their apathy towards those in need in society.

Yeah, a slow change but hopefully a start. Brexit fears probably started it, where everyone started to see how the actions of those at the top will trickle down into everything and everyone's lives in some way. I think I was guilty of it too, not blaming those in need I never did that, but kind of a sense of that apathy towards situations I was not familiar with or people coping with things I didn't have to contend with. Then when it hits you, it's like a tonne of bricks and you see it everywhere all the time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh jeez, you must be knackered.

So I take it she got the DLA back?

Definitely knackered, about 5 hours sleep is standard . PLUS I always plan to have a nap in the day when I'm off and they're at school, but then I end up arguing the toss on here instead .

DLA is still under review . The process takes forever.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You did not run me anywhere, but thank you for the welcome back.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Definitely knackered, about 5 hours sleep is standard . PLUS I always plan to have a nap in the day when I'm off and they're at school, but then I end up arguing the toss on here instead .

DLA is still under review . The process takes forever.

I really hope it gets sorted quickly for you TS.
That's the thing austerity to me it lazy economics as it's all about clawing back the most amount of money in the shortest time....But how viable is that?

The debt has doubled, people are under increasing pressure, wages have stagnated, productivity affected due to overwork and/or stress, MOUNTAINS of personal debt,unemployment,homelessness,stress on councils, prisons, stress on public services, surge in specific crimes ( theft, burglary), welfare restrictions/reductions

This is all going to implode it is not sustainable, where is the long term plan for recovery?

Brexit?..... :/

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The debt has doubled, people are under increasing pressure, wages have stagnated, productivity affected due to overwork and/or stress, MOUNTAINS of personal debt,unemployment,homelessness,stress on councils, prisons, stress on public services, surge in specific crimes ( theft, burglary), welfare restrictions/reduction.

Brexit?..... :/

Jeez Kizzy, you're such a ray of sunshine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh that's great, it really needs more people to speak out that all this austerity is not working insofar as it is putting so much pressure on families and communities to bear the weight of supporting those in need...Economists just don't see that all they see is numbers, meanwhile some are really struggling, some are dying and some are just shrugging their shoulders :/

There is a steep rise of 'I'm alright jacks' and it'd really distasteful, it's not 'British' we are always being sold this image of 'Britishness' and 'patriotism' this ideology that allows treatment like this could not be further in my mind to what being 'British stands for.

I hope that public feeling shifts soon, I have a feeling it will the public conscience has been pricked and more and more waking from their apathy towards those in need in society.

It has worked - he did what he said he would and the tactics worked, you may not like it but it worked

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do economists get taught that macroeconomics is 99% political?

Chris Giles, economics editor of FT clearly doesn't understand macroeconomics.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Jeez Kizzy, you're such a ray of sunshine.

I'm a realist.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has worked - he did what he said he would and the tactics worked, you may not like it but it worked

But for who? don't kid yourself it was for us and that its somehow going to help out the future of Britain. Austerity was always a class wars... destroy and divide.

And what has worked? will the government suddenly start funding the very things they've spent the last eight years destroying? Honestly though, how do you think a budget surplus is going to help our economy?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It has worked - he did what he said he would and the tactics worked, you may not like it but it worked

Is this the state of the country when it's worked?... feck me what would it look like if we'd failed!?
It's already a Dickensian malady complete with ghoul mogg Moriarty!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But for who? don't kid yourself it was for us and that its somehow going to help out the future of Britain. Austerity was always a class wars... destroy and divide.

And what has worked? will the government suddenly start funding the very things they've spent the last eight years destroying? Honestly though, how do you think a budget surplus is going to help our economy?

"Austerity was always a class wars... destroy and divide. "

no, it really wasn't

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Austerity was always a class wars... destroy and divide. "

no, it really wasn't

Well the country is more divided than ever, is that a happy accident then?

Like DR said what is the surplus for?...