[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

What?

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

Quite a few people in this thread oo

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

Rob has said it a few times

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

Which imo is a silly statement to make from those members.

If anything not being gay probably means that the straight members of the Forum are less likely to be emotionally involved on the subject and can smell bull**** when they see it.

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment towards Cameron even more.

Btw I know that you're not doing this Oliver_W.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment.

This is a really important point. Just like in real life we will all have different perceptions of people, motives and actions, and we won't all like or trust the same people. And you're so right - it is the beauty of BB.

[Ammi]

..I don’t think his coming out is a game plan...although the thing that he’s chosen BB as the time and place to come out I guess he could link to being a way that could be beneficial gameplay as it were....so I don’t think it’s cynical either for thoughts to be that...it’s perfectly obvious and understandable that some people would suspect that also and not fair to attach the label of cynical....imo...


...anyways, some people who are open about their sexuality, just introduce partners etc...with no declaration as such ever being involved...everyone would be different with so many individual factors involved as well ...Being on BB is a once in a lifetime experience...something of monumental importance in a person’s life...so I think he’s tried to link two things together that hold such importance and significance for him..?....I’m trying to think of some kind of analogy...maybe like when people propose to someone at a Super Bowl or something...eeeek that’s probably a bit awful, that analogy......but it feels a bit like that for me...he’s a huge BB fan and has actually been chosen to become a housemate...omg what a dream come true...so coming out in his dream situation of the BB house, would just seem to fit into place for me as being perfect for him...he knows that those close to him already know his sexuality but this is him....I’m telling the world, omg I’m telling the god damn world....awwwwww ...his way, his time, his place ...how many BB fans have actually been chosen as housemates so that this ‘perfect situation’ could happen ....

...but ya know, he can be a misery and a right royal pain of negativity at times and of course he’s very BB gameplay aware also...so I think cynical is completely understandable as well when he’s not always made himself very public popular...when I think about it, I think he probably intended to reveal earlier on...but the ‘right time’ was always possibly spoilt by some tantrum or drama or fallout or cauliflower or chicken or whatever...and ‘the right time’ would be such an important thing as well for him...that’s why in the Super Bowl proposals, they’re not right in the middle of the game while all eyes and highlights are on something else...


...he can still make himself quite unlikeable at times though..I have no idea why he would hero worship someone like Lewis but he seems to...and that creates such a negativity in him, almost like Lewis is contagious...don’t get too close to him otherwise you’ll catch the negativity disease with whinging and bitching complications adding to the illness...so I’m not sure whether he would be a great winner atm...he also wouldn’t be a bad one though...but for last night and him doing what he so wanted to do...Cameron.....

[Cherie]

I like Cameron but if I were a friend of his I would be a bit pissed he didnt confide in me, but chose to out himself on TV after dropping great clangers of hints since day 1, he is gameplaying and I have no issue with that at all.

Daniel X in this thread

[Ammi]

...I’m guessing and it is only a guess that could be completely wrong...that his family and close friends do know...but that he may not have actually said the words as such or even acknowledged anything they may have asked, type thing...and that they all know what he wanted to do in the house and completely understand and wouldn’t feel anything other than supportiveness...

[BBDodge]

I'm surprised people would think it wasn't pre-planned.

Seems to be working a treat too.

[Daniel-X]

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individual is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individually is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.

He’s not daft tho, he knows from the moment he did that DR entry that it was VERY VERY clear what he was alluding to. We all picked up on it straight away. So I don’t see how he can have ‘played it out over and over again’ - he pretty much did it that first DR entry and he knows that

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.

Yup, hes very very switched on to how the game goes. When Anamelia left, he immediately commented about it clearly being vote to evict aswell. I see Cameron as a bit of a Dexter Koh housemate actually, picking a specific storyline they feel will help them before going in, and acting it out.

I think Cameron though, did not realise he went in way overblown with this and if the plan was to drag it out as a gradual thing, he was too strong in the initial diary room entry, which I think was meant to be an 'is he isn't he' kind of thing, rather than full on obvious

Its part of why I like him so much actually. I tend to like gameplayers a lot, rather than 'nice' housemates.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

To add to this, I understand coming out can be difficult for some people to pluck up the courage. Still though, myself and I assume most other people would find it a lot easier to come out to strangers than people you already know. Which just makes this seem even fishier.

Sorry, just not BUYING what she’s selling.

[Jack_]

I have no reason to disbelieve him but the point is even if it IS a gameplan it's a bloody brilliant one at that

It's literally win-win either way so

[Vicky.]

I don't know what coming out as gay is like, but I know what coming out as bi is like Though I didn't 'come out' as such, just brought my girlfriend home to meet the family and made our relationship public

[pontyboi]

Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.

His family knew...but all his ex schoolmates etc didn't. He mentioned his ex schoolmates in week 1 and how they would 'react'.....I think this was his way of telling all in an environment that would give him support and therefore make it easier to face them...maybe.

[rusticgal]

I don't think for one minute this whole thing will hand him the win...he's still going to whine and sulk like an 18 year old.
But Out of all of them in there...Lewis and Cameron are good mates and good housemates...and I don't dislike them half as much as I do the other bitchy bunch.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

I agree with both of these

[Amy Jade]

Dan X's posts

[Daniel.]

I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy

He said "Yes".

[Ant.]

Tbh I'm mostly agreeing with both Dan-X and Rob

It's definitely not my place to doubt or question his coming out and I'm not, I like to believe that the guy's had it building up inside of him for so long and he's only just coming to terms with it

HOWEVER I do feel sceptical. And I don't have any rationale for feeling like that... there's just a part of me that can't help but wonder "IS it a gameplan?". My logical part of me isn't seeing that though