[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by Ash
Emily was also having a chat in the diary room about it... if you love her, you just look past every little thing and try to make it good.

It's the same with haters!

People take things out of context regardless of what side there on and believe there own perceptions, that doesn't make anyone worse for believing so.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
It's the same with haters!

People take things out of context regardless of what side there on and believe there own perceptions, that doesn't make anyone worse for believing so.

That may be true, but at least 'haters' as you call them are giving arguments and reasons to justify what they're saying - I can't say the same for fans. I wouldn't say I'm an Emily hater. I'm simply calling things as I see them.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Ash

Fair point, but I didn't think it was amusing. Whether it was sarcastic or not, she said it, and the impression she's been giving all along is that - you can see it in her body language and the way she speaks. Ziggy mentioning her bitchy glares and stuff when Chanelle was with him; all these are completely uncalled for and unnecessary.

Yeah I understand that 100% Im respect your opinion and every one of the people who dont like Emily. I just think that when people said she was lying, I udnno if you understand where Im coming from. The way I thought it was is that they were just discussing the possibility of Chanelle having a gameplan. Not necessarily saying that girls got one. To be honest everyone has the right to voice their opinion, and Emily did that in a discussion

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Ash
Emily was also having a chat in the diary room about it... if you love her, you just look past every little thing and try to make it good. There's probably no point in me even trying. But I'll say it anyway - in the DR, she was talking about how she thought it was clever that Chanelle was getting into bed with him, and that she should do the same tonight but the damage was done...

If you thought it was a joke, fine, but I wasn't laughing! And neither were a lot of people. What she means is so clear - does she think all the viewers are thick or something?!

What's your point? Emily knows Chanelle has a gameplan, it's no secret to the audience, the point of the argument is that she didn't admit it to Ziggy.

Ziggy changed the context and LIED, claiming Emily said "I think Chanelle's got a gameplan.

Ziggy lied.

Emily then tried to defend herself, and in the process, forgot to quote Ziggy in full, leading to her, technically, lying.

Ziggy lied first, and led Emily into contradicting herself.

Call it an equalizer, for Emily tricking Ziggy about nominations, but Emily sincerely believed she was defending the truth.

[Bells]

I'm not annoyed at her for lying. I don't think she lied - she just blows things out of proportion, twists the truth a little perhaps - but it's not Emily's 'lying' that annoys me, it's the way she handles situations.

[Billy]

I think Ziggy was more in the wrong than Emily tonight. People can think what they want about me thinking the sun shines out of Emilys bottom, but I think Ziggy blew the whole thing way out of proportion

[ShadowEye]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar
I think Ziggy was more in the wrong than Emily tonight. People can think what they want about me thinking the sun shines out of Emilys bottom, but I think Ziggy blew the whole thing way out of proportion

Not to mention the fact that he started the whole bloody thing.

[Billy]

Originally posted by ShadowEye

Not to mention the fact that he started the whole bl***y thing.

Exactly.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar
I think Ziggy was more in the wrong than Emily tonight. People can think what they want about me thinking the sun shines out of Emilys bottom, but I think Ziggy blew the whole thing way out of proportion

He doesn't like to be challenged that is for sure and he did seem to over do it. Problem is the focus is on Emily and she will be seen to be the in the wrong.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Red Moon

He doesn't like to be challenged that is for sure and he did seem to over do it. Problem is the focus is on Emily and she will be seen to be the in the wrong.

Yeah, but I honestly dont think she is.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Red Moon

He doesn't like to be challenged that is for sure and he did seem to over do it. Problem is the focus is on Emily and she will be seen to be the in the wrong.

He may not like to be challenged, but I can't think of many people off the top of my head who do... but regardless of that, he handled the situation as well as he could I thought. I don't think anyone can be made to be seen in the wrong. What she said, she said - people can choose to interpret it how they want I guess, but the fact is that the majority of people disagree with the way she handles things and her general attitude.

[Bells]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
What's your point? Emily knows Chanelle has a gameplan, it's no secret to the audience, the point of the argument is that she didn't admit it to Ziggy.

Ziggy changed the context and LIED, claiming Emily said "I think Chanelle's got a gameplan.

Ziggy lied.

Emily then tried to defend herself, and in the process, forgot to quote Ziggy in full, leading to her, technically, lying.

Ziggy lied first, and led Emily into contradicting herself.

Call it an equalizer, for Emily tricking Ziggy about nominations, but Emily sincerely believed she was defending the truth.

I was referring more to previous posts. I should have quoted really, but if you had read earlier on you would’ve noticed.

Anyway, she did admit it to Ziggy in my view – she was basically stood there and mentioned it to him, and he was talking about not bringing Chanelle into it – did you miss that bit? I don’t think he lied at all; it’d be a miracle to get every single word right of the conversation or what exactly Emily said, especially at that time of night, but he put across the gist of that. If that’s lying, then I pretty much lie all the time.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by saying that Emily forgot to quote Ziggy in full. She seems to ‘lie’; well, twist the truth, quite a lot IMO so I can never be sure what she’s on about half the time. I just didn’t understand why she was playing the victim rather than standing up to the argument and truly airing her views if she believed them to be correct.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by Ash

That may be true, but at least 'haters' as you call them are giving arguments and reasons to justify what they're saying - I can't say the same for fans. I wouldn't say I'm an Emily hater. I'm simply calling things as I see them.

In your response you’re dismissing anyone’s perceptions or reasons, in favor of Emily and acknowledging the 'facts' from the haters totally.Your side is apparent.

I believe Emily said what she said in a different context to what people are making it out to be. It was said as more of an example, she didn't say ' I believe BlaBla has a gameplan!' That judgement is very wide of the mark.

[Billy]

hey wheres Emilee when you need her eh

[Bells]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
In your response you’re dismissing anyone’s perceptions or reasons, in favor of Emily and acknowledging the 'facts' from the haters totally.Your side is apparent.

I believe Emily said what she said in a different context to what people are making it out to be. It was said as more of an example, she didn't say ' I believe BlaBla has a gameplan!' That judgement is very wide of the mark.

Only in the last couple of minutes have I noticed people actually explaining why they think Emily is right - before that they didn't. So I was just saying that those who didn't agree with her had explained why.
I think you saying it's a different context is a fair point - I guess that just depends on different perceptions. I didn't think it was an example personally, because she gave reasons and subtely hinted as to why she thought Chanelle was doing what she did. Of course she wouldn't just blatantly say it out loud to everyone - I think she has a bit more intelligence than that, but the thing is IMO she knows it and knows how to manipulate that to deal with different situations.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

What's your point? Emily knows Chanelle has a gameplan, it's no secret to the audience, the point of the argument is that she didn't admit it to Ziggy.

Ziggy changed the context and LIED, claiming Emily said "I think Chanelle's got a gameplan.

Ziggy lied.

Emily then tried to defend herself, and in the process, forgot to quote Ziggy in full, leading to her, technically, lying.

Ziggy lied first, and led Emily into contradicting herself.

Call it an equalizer, for Emily tricking Ziggy about nominations, but Emily sincerely believed she was defending the truth.

precisely what I was thinking....just reading through this thread is amusing and yet....quite depressing at the same time.....people really have a demented view of what is happening on their own TV screen....

don't believe me go re-watch the footage.....Emily did not say "CHANELLE HAS A GAMEPLAN"

and to the sarcastic comment in the diary room about Chanelle sleeping with Ziggy being a good idea......SHE WAS JOKING PEOPLE........

dOc

[Bells]

I think it's really unfair to call half of this forum, or maybe even more, demented. We're all entitled to our own views and different people see things differently - I respect that. I'm not calling your view demented just because I don't agree with it; it's better to understand what the other person's saying rather than dismiss it like that.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Ash
I think it's really unfair to call half of this forum, or maybe even more, demented. We're all entitled to our own views and different people see things differently - I respect that. I'm not calling your view demented just because I don't agree with it; it's better to understand what the other person's saying rather than dismiss it like that.

Thank you Ash, Karma for you

[Juelz]

when she said she didnt say "chanelle has a gameplan"

i have sky plus and rewinded it, she said very clearly... "we all think chanelle has a gameplan with you"

[Billy]

she said
"Me and the girls have been talking about Chanelle having a gameplan"

[Juelz]

WITH YOU

[Bells]

If she's going to say, 'we all', she should've really mentioned it to the people involved in the 'all' and they could've spoken up for themselves, surely.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Ash
If she's going to say, 'we all', she should've really mentioned it to the people involved in the 'all' and they could've spoken up for themselves, surely.

they know who they are.....did you not see them talking about it?

dOc

[Billy]

sorry im not defending her any more i cant be bothered. Its a losing battle...

[Bells]

Originally posted by MaDdOctoR

they know who they are.....did you not see them talking about it?

dOc

No I'm on about when she was talking to Ziggy - it would've been better for them to say what they had to say rather than her do the talking for them just to cover herself up.

potentialsuperstar, don't give up - that's not the thing to do! I appreciate that you like Emily, and want to hear your reasons. Things may well change over the coming days, and we'll come back here to debate things - that's what a forum's for. You're one of the few Emily fans who's been considerate about your views rather than jumping down my throat - be proud!