[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I think the thought is..


Why would you want to say hateful things.

Originally Posted by parmnion

Imo there is no need of it outside comedy or parody...

There's no need to eat more than enough to stay alive, and no need to watch television. We should be able to do things we don't need, as long it doesn't directly lead to violence.

[bots]

people say hateful and spiteful things everyday - many examples are on this very forum, nobody bats an eye and it's not illegal, but it suddenly becomes a problem if a protected group is referenced. It's not a level playing field.

Personally, i think things have gone too far. We are now at the point where if 1 single person takes offence at something someone said, then it is classified as a hate incident. That is 100% wrong, and I can't believe that is now the law.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people say hateful and spiteful things everyday - many examples are on this very forum, nobody bats an eye and it's not illegal, but it suddenly becomes a problem if a protected group is referenced. It's not a level playing field.



Personally, i think things have gone too far. We are now at the point where if 1 single person takes offence at something someone said, then it is classified as a hate incident. That is 100% wrong, and I can't believe that is now the law.

Of course it's not a level playing field though because certain groups of people haven't been targeted by hate and prejudice for centuries.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course it's not a level playing field though because certain groups of people haven't been targeted by hate and prejudice for centuries.

What about groups like Brexiteers? All thick, racist, bigots who don't know what they're doing. Have they been the target of hate crimes over the past few years?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course it's not a level playing field though because certain groups of people haven't been targeted by hate and prejudice for centuries.

No-one has been alive for centuries. Things have moved on, we're not our ancestors. Class/wealth has more impact on people's lives than their race. Otherwise, the playing field is basically level.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people say hateful and spiteful things everyday - many examples are on this very forum, nobody bats an eye and it's not illegal, but it suddenly becomes a problem if a protected group is referenced. It's not a level playing field.

Personally, i think things have gone too far. We are now at the point where if 1 single person takes offence at something someone said, then it is classified as a hate incident. That is 100% wrong, and I can't believe that is now the law.

There's nothing more to be said.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

as long it doesn't directly lead to violence.

But hatred often leads to violence..

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But hatred often leads to violence..

Only if the person commiting the violence, is violent.

[Mystic Mock]

To me I'd meet Oliver halfway on this topic.

I personally don't think that verbally attacking a group of people on Social Media should see you arrested. And I do agree with Oliver that violent hate crimes should definitely see the thug that committed the offence arrested.

However we do get cases where say a Lesbian woman is getting harassed by a straight guy for being a Lesbian, and he keeps hurling abuse at her, imo that individual should also be arrested for harassment and a hate crime as he would've deliberately targeted her because she's a Lesbian.

Obviously I'm just putting out a hypothetical scenario there (that was also quite long winded) but I hope that you guys understand what I'm trying to say.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

To me I'd meet Oliver halfway on this topic.

I personally don't think that verbally attacking a group of people on Social Media should see you arrested. And I do agree with Oliver that violent hate crimes should definitely see the thug that committed the offence arrested.

However we do get cases where say a Lesbian woman is getting harassed by a straight guy for being a Lesbian, and he keeps hurling abuse at her, imo that individual should also be arrested for harassment and a hate crime as he would've deliberately targeted her because she's a Lesbian.

Obviously I'm just putting out a hypothetical scenario there (that was also quite long winded) but I hope that you guys understand what I'm trying to say.

yes i understand, i mean on social media you can block certain people, or put your profile to private (visible to friends only)

in real life, and out on the Streets, you can't so you're less protected against hate crime

[thesheriff443]

You can cause pain/distress and fear by using words without the need for physical violence so that’s why the law is rightfully in place.

And even calling someone fat and ugly can lead to them taking their own life.

It’s about what’s being said who it’s being said to, why it’s being said and who is saying it.

[Alf]

Katie Hopkins receives abusive comments everyday. Is she the victim of hate crimes?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Katie Hopkins receives abusive comments everyday. Is she the victim of hate crimes?

I would say she is more guilty of inciting hate than receiving it tbh

That said, none of it is ok IMO

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Katie Hopkins receives abusive comments everyday. Is she the victim of hate crimes?

The words she chooses to use is not part of her DNA or culture so no, not even close

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

The words she chooses to use is not part of her DNA or culture so no, not even close

What you talking about? I don't know what you're saying.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

What you talking about? I don't know what you're saying.

Katie is hated for her life choices. It’s not a hate crime until she’s hated for something that she has no control over.

[Kizzy]

Have you seen the flak the creator of father ted is getting over his views?

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

That's not what's happening though, one person is not offended many are... What is the issue is the opinions and views of those who have spoken out against certain topics relating to the trans community and being vilified for it.
As seen here being investigated, losing work, receiving death and rape threats.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not what's happening though, one person is not offended many are... What is the issue is the opinions and views of those who have spoken out against certain topics relating to the trans community and being vilified for it.
As seen here being investigated, losing work, receiving death and rape threats.

Hating trans people is basically the status quo in the uk I swear every media personality here has some sort of variety of these views.. it’s not like it’s this unpopular opinion speaking truth to power.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Hating trans people is basically the status quo in the uk I swear every media personality here has some sort of variety of these views.. it’s not like it’s this unpopular opinion speaking truth to power.

That's not true, and a celebrity is not void from an opinion they have no more power than you or I to change anything except a wider reach.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

And even calling someone fat and ugly can lead to them taking their own life.

If someone kills themselves over a bit of name-calling, they're probably messed up anyway and should have been institutionalised or at least given proper help before that could be allowed to happen.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not what's happening though, one person is not offended many are... What is the issue is the opinions and views of those who have spoken out against certain topics relating to the trans community and being vilified for it.
As seen here being investigated, losing work, receiving death and rape threats.

The issue is that people are vilified for their views, the views themselves aren't a valid thing to be an issue.
It's ridiculous that statements like "I don't want biological males in female spaces" are tarred with the same brush as "transpeople should be killed"

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If someone kills themselves over a bit of name-calling, they're probably messed up anyway and should have been institutionalised or at least given proper help before that could be allowed to happen.


The issue is that people are vilified for their views, the views themselves aren't a valid thing to be an issue.
It's ridiculous that statements like "I don't want biological males in female spaces" are tarred with the same brush as "transpeople should be killed"

It’s usually kids that kill themselves after being targeted by other kids.

I think you are talking sh1t.

[Twosugars]

Yeah lock up the vulnerable. As long as hate merchants have all the freedom to abuse!

The law is right, hate speech is a crime.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yeah lock up the vulnerable. As long as hate merchants have all the freedom to abuse!

Do you think someone who'd kill themself over words should be left unsupervised?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you think someone who'd kill themself over words should be left unsupervised?

The extend of ignorance in this post makes any dialogue pointless.