[Kizzy]

Yep finally the scales are falling from the eyes of many and the the right wing are massing the usual suspects to aid with damage limitation. .. pfft

[arista]

[arista]

[user104658]

As much as I admire the unshakeable optimism; Boris will never face any sort of reckoning for this. I'd put the hopes of it in the same category as the excitement in the latter half of last year that the Tories could be voted out, when in fact, the landslide victory was never anything short of inevitable.

However yes even taking Covid completely out of the equation, Boris is out of his depth as PM. He's just not the sort of politician who should ever have been given the top job. Unprofessional and "silly"... a showman... a clown. He's not stupid but that's how he's conducted and progressed his entire career so it's not exactly surprising that now that he's reached the top and doesn't need to play thouse games any more... he doesn't actually know how to stop and put on a more sensible hat. He just doesn't have one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you actually read the article it basically says that the Government followed the scientific evidence from The CMO and the scientific committee. The article has very little to say other than it's easy now to see what should have been done in Feb

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you actually read the article it basically says that the Government followed the scientific evidence from The CMO and the scientific committee. The article has very little to say other than it's easy now to see what should have been done in Feb

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

Anti-incompetence, not anti-government, major difference

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Anti-incompetence, not anti-government, major difference

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

Because most of the users on this forum are/live in the UK? It’s a forum centred around Big Brother UK ffs, of course posters are going to focus on our government.

If you look at Germany for example you can see how they followed the correct measures, I believe it’s mentioned in the article. As for the scientific advisers, they’re advisers, not leaders of our country, they don’t make the decisions, the government shall be hold accountable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, the government are being called incompetent. Don't see people claiming the same about Italy and Spain. Anyone can say now that they would have done things differently.

They will be held accountable by their own people, we are concerned with our own response and there is nothing wrong with questioning that.

I think you are being really unfair and more than a little insensitive to Italy seeing as they were affected so quickly and severely. .. They had precious little time to prepare, we on the other hand had Italy as a model we saw the spread and the deaths and still dragged our heels.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And yet here's another whiney anti-government thread.

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

Well said kizzy!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And here you are as usual not to comment on the thread but to have a whine.. Go police chat and games Livia they don't talk about issues affecting our lives that much there I'll bet the government is rarely mentioned!

You will never stop anyone having or voicing their views and opinions, it makes me wonder why you indulge in this charade every time anyone posts any critique.

Well, fortunately you don't get to say what I say or where I say it.

Stick to the topic and please stop discussing me.

[Denver]

Do people really expect a 2 year lockdown the second news spreads of the first case?

A lockdown is not easy and you cant just close everything without serious though.

Also WHO have backtracked a few times so they are nit that reliable

[Denver]

At the end of the day lockdown the country was not realistic in Jamuary when little was known

[arista]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

At the end of the day lockdown the country was not realistic in January when little was known

Yes no Death count then.

[user104658]

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

The country was lockdown because people didnt care they was advised to social distance so what did that do? Get closer to strangers then they get have done.

It was a very last case scenario that could have been avoided

And it seems to work for Sweden as they dont have a massive death count

[Samm]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The country was lockdown because people didnt care they was advised to social distance so what did that do? Get closer to strangers then they get have done.

It was a very last case scenario that could have been avoided

And it seems to work for Sweden as they dont have a massive death count

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

Statistics I've seen are worked out per head of capita.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Statistics I've seen are worked out per head of capita.

Are these non dubious stats though?...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Samm

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

Yes but people listen over there where as more people went out then usually when they was advised to stay in which was the reason for a full lockdown.

The state of people in clubs and bars was horrendous when they was told to stay home and now those same people are the o es telling people to stay at home and be safe.

You have to blame the government for letting people to do it and not being stricter but also blame the people who didnt and still dont give af about spreading it.

I do think we should have gone into lockdown the day he advices people to stay in doors

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Yes but people listen over there where as more people went out then usually when they was advised to stay in which was the reason for a full lockdown.

The state of people in clubs and bars was horrendous when they was told to stay hsdome and now those same people are the o es telling people to stay at home and be safe.

You have to blame the government for letting people to do it and not being stricter but also blame the people who didnt and still dont give af about spreading it.

I do think we should have gone into lockdown the day he advices people to stay in doors

So true they had to be forced to stay at home, they really needed the nanny state to step in but are now complaining it wasn’t done soon enough when there was an advisory out for at least a week before lockdown to stay at home

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

No you're not, there are epidemiologists though who thankfully are experts. I think they will do a better job than you or Sandra

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No you're not, there are epidemiologists though who thankfully are experts. I think they will do a better job than you or Sandra

Bit not you who are cloaming to know more then anyone else?