[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.

If only the people advocating for social programs had billions to throw at politicians, they'd get that change easily, which is another depressing anomaly.

[Tom4784]

As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund.

The act of defunding only really makes sense in the US where the police have the funds to access military grade equipment and generally have budgets that far exceed the force's competence. The Police Force in the US in inherently broken, there's a culture of silence and acceptance of violence and abuse from the supposed 'good apples' that allow the racists, the killers and the abusers to thrive within the system.

The problem won't ever be fixed without fundamental widespread changes to the police force. More training, more background checks, more accountability and standards. Too many officers are unfit to serve at a fundamental level and the level of violence when the police are confronted with this fact only proves it to be true.

[arista]

"As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund. "

Correct Dezzy
But BLM UK do not care

[Jigs]

Defunding the police is about reassigning how the money invested is spent within the force. Rather than forking out lump sums on firearms perhaps they should focus their efforts on proper training courses and more intense processes of vetting. Did you know it takes less training to become a NYPD cop than it does to become a qualified hairdresser...

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.

Bang On Right
Oliver.

[The Slim Reaper]

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.

[The Slim Reaper]

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.

No-one disagrees with black lives mattering. No-one with a brain anyway. But plenty of people disagree with Marxism. Focusing on bettering predominately BAME neighbourhoods is politically neutral, and not something anyone could disagree with

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.

I don't care either way about Marxism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

[Liam-]

‘You can do your marches, but you have no right to have opinions on anything else in the world, god know your place!’

[bots]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

‘If minorities want to be equal, they have to be politically aligned to us’

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

Post of the thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

I agree, I was all for this but now I am pretty confused over what people really want, I feel as though the divide is worse now than it was before,

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

Equality is not extremism. Marx isn't an extremist, and BLM are not a terrorist group. It's probably past time being fearful of dragging the mouth breathers along with modernity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

If you want to be like us you have to think like us... two legs good eh?

May I remind you the closeness in the election for the left in 2017. It was not extremism it was all sections of the UK expressing a need for change. Change is wanted and needed in many areas.

We have a PM who's response as mayor of London to unrest was to purchase 3 water cannons... That were useless as that level of force was not at the time permitted in the UK.

That goes some way to show the disparity in approach, when the now PM wasting precious funding on oppressive gadgets to sit idle in a warehouse somewhere.

Can that not be likened to extremist political doctrine? Would that money not have been better spent in neighbourhood policing, social work or probation...as a means of preventing crime rather than heavy handed tools for social control?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

It's a bit of scary world to live in if the majority of people don't want a group of people to have equal rights because of the colour of their skin.

Imo I think that the protesters could've picked a better time to protest (not during a Pandemic) but personally I don't see what they're aiming for with the American Police as extreme at all, the American Police need proper training and not just shoot people because they're black.

[Liam-]

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

Liam speaking for all white people folks

That is some privilege

Wowser

[arista]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

I took a moment to look through that guy's tweets, he's a deluded gammon-y moron who obviously is dying to be noticed by the right wing to be their latest regurgitator of bull****.