[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

NICOLA Sturgeon told Andrew Marr she 'wouldn't rule out' bringing forward a referendum by spring next year.

It comes as the outgoing head of the vaccine task force has said that by August this year there will be no vaccine circulating in the UK.

The First Minister has said that she would only hold a constitutional vote once the Covid pandemic has passed.

And Clive Dix, vaccine taskforce chief, told the Telegraph yesterday that the country is on track to vaccinate all adults by the end of July.

READ MORE: Michael Gove says Westminster won't take Scottish Government to court over indyref2

Asked by Marr if Scotland would hold a referendum if the by Spring next year, based on predictions, the pandemic was over, Sturgeon said: "That would certainly work for timescale of within the first half of the parliamentary term, but I very much, not just for reasons of an independence referendum, but for many reasons, I desperately hope those predictions are correct.

"But we have to judge that as we go through this year, we’ve still got many significant challenges ahead."


https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...2-spring-2022/

[Oliver_W]

SNP didn't get their majority, and most Scottish people didn't vote for pro-independence parties. Maybe she needs to simmer down a bit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

SNP didn't get their majority, and most Scottish people didn't vote for pro-independence parties. Maybe she needs to simmer down a bit.

Holyrood now has a pro-independence majority.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Holyrood now has a pro-independence majority.

Unlike the voters.

[bots]

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

I mean there is definitely strong support - the 45% that voted for it last time would constitute "strong support" - there is however no evidence that there is majority support but... well... that's the point of holding a referendum isn't it.

Honestly if I had to guess I'd say it'll still be 45% or above, but I don't think it's at over 50% yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

we just had an election with a high turn out and the people of Scotland have voted in a pro-independence majority of MSP's to represent them in our parliament - a larger majority than before


You dont have to be sherlock holmes to see something in that

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Unlike the voters.

we just had an election with a high turn out and the people of Scotland have voted in a pro-independence majority of MSP's to represent them in our parliament - a larger majority than before

that is a fact

[user104658]

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

Well whatever it is when we get independence we should invade and burn their huts and boats

that will learn them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well whatever it is when we get independence we should invade and burn their huts and boats

that will learn them

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

I think Orkney and Shetland has a slightly separate identity that sets it apart from the rest of Scotland.

Looking at the history of it there is a big Viking influence.

[bots]

Originally Posted by James

I think Orkney and Shetland has a slightly separate identity that sets it apart from the rest of Scotland.

Looking at the history of it there is a big Viking influence.

i worked as a student in shetland an age ago, and it seemed they had more in common with scandinavians than the uk. Wasn't there a vote on shetland for independence from scotland a few years ago?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i worked as a student in shetland an age ago, and it seemed they had more in common with scandinavians than the uk. Wasn't there a vote on shetland for independence from scotland a few years ago?

Yes but they managed a staggering 8% for indy . I think they see themselves as a bit of a separate entity to either Scotland or England, but part of the British Isles nonetheless. Shetland anyway. The younger folks I've met from Orkney tend to quite like a regular jaunt to Glasgow.

[joeysteele]

This is the point though.

If the Scots support Parties wanting another referendum.
Then no democratically elected force or individual should deny that referendum being held.
That is dictatorship.

By the same token then what was in the Con manifesto may not be morally or legally carried out either.

Anyhow, Nicola Sturgeon is the longest serving leader in power in any Nation of the UK.
She's just won a strong new term, the 4th for the SNP.

I don't think she needs any lectures from Johnson & his henchmen/ women on democracy or what she's been elected to see through.

For me, it's a pity she's not running the whole of the UK.

[James]

Are they really going to break up the country, and turn the UK into a foreign country to Scotland on a basically 50-50 vote?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

Are they really going to break up the country, and turn the UK into a foreign country to Scotland on a basically 50-50 vote?

It was good enough for Brexit .

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was good enough for Brexit .

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by James

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

DO you realise the trauma we all felt when showbiz was shoehorned into SD without so much as poll?

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

Good Warning there
James.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both the SNP and Green manifesto stated they would seek a ref in the next term so..

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Both the SNP and Green manifesto stated they would seek a ref in the next term so..

Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifesto commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifest commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.

Gove MP refuses to talk about it
This in a few years
once Covid-19 is less of a problem
it will end up in High Courts
that could refuse her wish


I mean it's not all of Scotland
that will Vote for this.
So Democracy is not in this
in my view.