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Old 31-08-2022, 10:02 AM #1
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i've been saying it for a bit now that i think the probability of riots is pretty high. If Keir joined the picket lines then he would be associated with any rioting that happens by default. My guess is that is the reason he doesn't want to be associated with the strikes
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I can take Starmer's point that unless you win power then you cannot do anything.
So I accept it has to be at least seen to be, if not to actually do so, that after 2 election defeats on virtual identical manifestos to be going back to the drawing board.

However going back to the drawing board should not necessarily mean you dispose of the more popular policies of said manifestos.

Starmer really infuriates me, he needs to stop the controlled lawyer summing up type of his delivery and get policies he can show real passion for.

I'm annoyed he pussyfoots around the current strikes issues.
He SHOULD lead properly and say he backs them.

Furthermore, one of the most popular policies Corbyn DARED to include again in a Labour manifesto.
Re-nationalisation of gas and electricity.
It is now reported that even Con voters now support this more than not.

His short term fix of freezing the energy cap for 6 months is a good one, that would get all through the Winter months.
Which is also a Lib Dem strongly supported idea of theirs too.

Then decide what to do next in assessing the picture post April.

However he needs a long term policy and this is where the re-nationalisation of energy is a much more than likely now winner.
He should not act like he's ashamed of that policy from the last 2 elections because it was the one most popular from Labour even in 2017.
I think it would be even moreso now.

So for goodness sake Labour MPs, shake Starmer into reality and persuade him this could and should be his firm way to power now.
Andy Burnham has indicated his support to it.

Just wake up Starmer for goodness sake.
Oh and IF he was to adopt a PR policy too, he'd likely walk an election.

I really find Starmer as leader infuriating that he says he's pragmatic on nationalisation.
Just take it back on board and stop the avoidance of its merits.
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He should be backing the strikers and workers.
He shouldn't either be taking action against his MPs who do say they support them and also actively do so.

If Liz Gross sets out to limit workers rights or even shockingly sets out to prevent them.
Starmer would then be screaming, rightly, how undemocratic and against human rights that was.
Yet he has at best shown less than lukewarm sympathy with the very just grievances these workers have.
Of which they've been pushed to the limits on and taken strike action.

If the party the Unions helped bring into existence hasn't a leader who will stand with them then that's really bad and WRONG.

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It's a difficult one, Keir was always going to be seen as unexciting compared to Boris, but its going to be a totally different dynamic against Liz or Rushi. The odds must still favour a labour government at the next election as long as Keir remains steady
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Bless Owen
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