[Crimson Dynamo]

The delusion, lack of understanding and just basic self-awareness is truly frightening

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee, it's always been the case.

These people want to say what they want without consequence but god forbid anyone says anything that goes against their fragile little echo chamber.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

To be fair, as TV licence payers, we're paying for his obscene salary to present sport, not going around calling us "Nazis" He's obviously in the wrong Job. He needs to concentrate on the job we pay him for.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

I agree with this.

He should be entitled to his view, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

[user104658]

I don't particularly have an issue with the comparison other than that it's lazy. It's also a pretty difficult and problematic stance to take when it comes to immigration, given that Israel itself has one of the strictest, worst and most exclusive/irrational immigration policies in the world ... if not in fact THE most. So it's a discussion best avoided for fear of falling into a dodgy trap on comparison of policies... to be blunt, if you take the Godwin stance on the current UK immigration policy, you rationally HAVE TO say the same thing about the Israeli policy, and then you're in 20 feet of hot water with no ladder.

I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. Has there ever been anything quite so glaring as the UK government appealing for UK households to take in and sponsor Ukrainian families whilst sighing "oh well" when Syrian children wash up face down on our beaches?

And then all of those "well meaning" White British families finding out that Ukrainians are actually quite culturally different to British people and saying "'old on a minute guvna, these folks just LOOK like us, they ain't like us at all!!" and putting them out .

[Oliver_W]

[QUOTE=Soldier Boy;11268900]
I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. L/QUOTE]

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

I'm an advocate of scrapping the TV license completely so that's sort of a moot point for me. It shouldn't exist - a concept that should have been ditched long ago.

[Tom4784]

[QUOTE=Oliver_W;11268909]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. L/QUOTE]

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

Generally speaking, if someone is speaking in a way like the nazis did, then that should be enough for them to reflect on what they are saying.

Taking issue with the comparison itself and not the words that inspired it is the problem.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.

Agreed, I don't really care what Linekar says, nor do I think he should be fired. I just happen to think what he said was lazy and stupid

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Generally speaking, if someone is speaking in a way like the nazis did, then that should be enough for them to reflect on what they are saying.

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Agreed, I don't really care what Linekar says, nor do I think he should be fired. I just happen to think what he said was lazy and stupid

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

Do keep up Oliver, or are you commenting on a thread about this issue when you don't even know what it's about?

If so, then it's not down to me to inform you, if you wish to remain uninformed and ignorant, that's your choice. Your ignorance has no impact the reality of things.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

When people say 1930's they usually mean early 1930's, which was really ... err... Nazi foreplay. There was a drip-feeding of blame culture and nudging of mindsets that took place as a warm-up act for full-blown Naziism.

To be fair though the comparison isn't exactly right - the Nazis were secular, I reckon it's evangelical fascism we have incoming. Just as bad and twice as creepy.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't particularly have an issue with the comparison other than that it's lazy. It's also a pretty difficult and problematic stance to take when it comes to immigration, given that Israel itself has one of the strictest, worst and most exclusive/irrational immigration policies in the world ... if not in fact THE most. So it's a discussion best avoided for fear of falling into a dodgy trap on comparison of policies... to be blunt, if you take the Godwin stance on the current UK immigration policy, you rationally HAVE TO say the same thing about the Israeli policy, and then you're in 20 feet of hot water with no ladder.

I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. Has there ever been anything quite so glaring as the UK government appealing for UK households to take in and sponsor Ukrainian families whilst sighing "oh well" when Syrian children wash up face down on our beaches?

And then all of those "well meaning" White British families finding out that Ukrainians are actually quite culturally different to British people and saying "'old on a minute guvna, these folks just LOOK like us, they ain't like us at all!!" and putting them out .

Well, Israel's governments and policies are not something to aspire to, and the various human rights abuses they've committed should be examined and spoken about.

If the UK's government is employing Nazi-esque rhetoric, then it should be spoken about and opposed, just like how Israel's policies and human rights abuse have been problematic too.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out when governments are slipping into fascism, and such behaviours should be encouraged.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Well, Israel's governments and policies are not something to aspire to, and the various human rights abuses they've committed should be examined and spoken about.

If the UK's government is employing Nazi-esque rhetoric, then it should be spoken about and opposed, just like how Israel's policies and human rights abuse have been problematic too.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out when governments are slipping into fascism, and such behaviours should be encouraged.

You have to pick your audience though, if you're with a group of people who have some knowledge and understanding of the propaganda used in 1930's then it's an interesting enough discussion (because of course, the scary truth is that the average German people who were lapping this up back then were NOT "evil Nazis"... they were just frustrated people who were taken in by a manipulative orator). BUT if you throw it around in normal discourse these days, it just makes it too easy for people to say "Pff yawn more Nazi comparisons" and disregard the actual comparisons without even giving it a second thought.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You have to pick your audience though, if you're with a group of people who have some knowledge and understanding of the propaganda used in 1930's then it's an interesting enough discussion (because of course, the scary truth is that the average German people who were lapping this up back then were NOT "evil Nazis"... they were just frustrated people who were taken in by a manipulative orator). BUT if you throw it around in normal discourse these days, it just makes it too easy for people to say "Pff yawn more Nazi comparisons" and disregard the actual comparisons without even giving it a second thought.

People choosing to be ignorant will be ignorant regardless. I'm not one to pander to them.

[Gusto Brunt]

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended.

I don't want anyone sacked for their views, unless they directly call for violence. I want Linekar to speak more, so we know exactly what he meant.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't want anyone sacked for their views, unless they directly call for violence. I want Linekar to speak more, so we know exactly what he meant.

This.

It's a scary world where you can be sacked for saying an unpopular opinion.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

This is the problem,I can see why people would criticise Sunak. And Starmer is loving this ...but if Starmer was in power how would he come up with a solution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He just is coming off like a middle aged blue and pink haired lefty at a demo with a pre printed socialist worker plaque saying all refugees welcome

I don't really think he is very bright

[joeysteele]

This situation where it's like the BBC own who is on it is rather unnerving.

I find Lineker annoying even presenting Match of the Day.
However had he said this ON the programme or on the BBC.
Then the criticism would be justified.

I find his view over the top on the German inclusion section, however the comments of scaremongering and wild figure chanting of Braverman are in my view far worse.
Her view seems greatly unsavoury to me and concerning.

He shouldn't be sacked.
Maybe ITV could buy up Match of the Day from the BBC.
Then like people such as Clarkson , Lineker could say what he liked and even possibly get applauded for it.
No matter how bad the content.

[bots]

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique