[Crimson Dynamo]

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Do you remember Channel 4 BB?

Half of the comments made back then would be seen as ejection worthy today, and by most BB fans standards(I'm going to guess that you're the same when I say this) see that era as the best BB era.

The consequences that George should face for his behaviour imo, is to try and stop him from winning the Show.

Warnings imo should be reserved for more violent outbursts.

Yeah, I remember Channel 4 Big Brother. It was great TV, but a lot of what aired then was offensive. Times change, and that’s a good thing. People shouldn’t be treated like entertainment props for abuse or humiliation.

Brushing off homophobic comments as not that deep sends the wrong message. The show can keep its edge without giving people a free pass to punch down.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As for the question, I don't think so. Yes Sam seemed upset but they spoke like adults and sorted it so I see no need for BB to step in..

No, it was ridiculous. And the way that carol instantly tried to police his behaviour was awful.

The whole wokey side of the house are simultaneously so sickly over sweet and heavy handed authoritarian.

They might have sorted it out later, but if Sam hadn't been so overly dramatic over it BB wouldn't have stepped in.

But, that aside, Sam, you are not 'different'. You are a walking stereotype with an adopted persona. You are dime a dozen. Stop making out like you are some kind of unqiue creation.

[Glenn.]

If someone’s confidence or visibility annoys you, ask yourself why.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, it was ridiculous. And the way that carol instantly tried to police his behaviour was awful.

The whole wokey side of the house are simultaneously so sickly over sweet and heavy handed authoritarian.

They might have sorted it out later, but if Sam hadn't been so overly dramatic over it BB wouldn't have stepped in.

But, that aside, Sam, you are not 'different'. You are a walking stereotype with an adopted persona. You are dime a dozen. Stop making out like you are some kind of unqiue creation.

I agree with all of that.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

If someone’s confidence or visibility annoys you, ask yourself why.

Exactly. Maybe Sam should had asked himself this.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yeah, I remember Channel 4 Big Brother. It was great TV, but a lot of what aired then was offensive. Times change, and that’s a good thing. People shouldn’t be treated like entertainment props for abuse or humiliation.

Brushing off homophobic comments as not that deep sends the wrong message. The show can keep its edge without giving people a free pass to punch down.

If you acknowledge that it was great TV back then, then you probably realise it was great TV because the Housemates were largely unfiltered with what they were allowed to say back then.

Times changing does not mean it's always for the better, especially if in this particular case it ends up creating incredibly sensitive and watered down Big Brother experiences.

And no, the Show cannot keep it's edge if it has to pick and choose what a Housemate can and can't say, because it will have the Housemates on edge too on what's okay to talk about.

In my view I don't get why ITV brought BB back if it's not going to embrace the Live Feed or the fact that the Show had some colourful language back in the day.

As I've said already, if someone is being a prick (which Homophobia fits that category on a show like BB imo) then the public already knows what to do.

[Maru]

So things calmed down enough here I could finish the episode properly

Sam seemed very pleased with the fight between George and Jenny going poorly. I honestly think they all knew what was going to happen and are slowly setting him up to fall on his own sword. I'm not buying the "we're trying to be open minded!" act lol. People feign being interested in other viewpoints all the time to collect dirt and then the moment that person has let their guard down, the knives will start to get pulled as they go down their respective checklists. That's where George will find himself isolated.

And to be fair, he set himself up for failure in some ways because of how he advertised himself. He had already thought they all didn't like him and I seem to remember he broadcasted that to the other HMs? So if he thinks he has work harder to change their minds, he made it way too easy. He doesn't have to change their minds and he shouldn't be frustrated with the fact that anyone else wouldn't be willing to.

They all think they're right, but that's true for him as well. The irony is they're going to go after him for being stubborn when it's pretty clear most everyone else have also determined how they were going to portray themselves once they got into the house. It's just George who is letting it to get him that he's one of the only few people there to argue his side...

Emily was a big loss in that way as it would've been interesting to see if they would've teamed up or not, especially as I could've seen her being part of the "girly girls". But we won't ever know now.

[bots]

What George said is not against the law so why weren't the housemates allowed to sort it out between themselves. If they didn't like it, they can nominate him and let the public decide. I don't like this dumbed down, stupid policy. How is it a social experiment if people arent allowed to speak

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

What George said is not against the law so why weren't the housemates allowed to sort it out between themselves. If they didn't like it, they can nominate him and let the public decide. I don't like this dumbed down, stupid policy. How is it a social experiment if people arent allowed to speak

Exactly! BB is dead if people have to watch what they say.

[Cherie]

I still don't see the difference between Gani mimicking Jennys accent and what George did? but treated completely differently, also as has been said given Sam and George sorted it out surely a warning should have been issued only if it happened again?

[Ammi]

…I find this guy Yazzfetto really interesting because he generally has a balanced take on all things BB…and it’s interesting what he’s saying here because I’m feeling very similar atm…I mean, I like George as a housemate, I think that he’s going to be a pivotal character…but that’s the thing, though…I’m feeling more and more that he is a character and he’s only George on the surface and he’s feeling for me, very contrived and devised and composed and all that jazz…and that would be ironic really because so much criticism is always laid at those housemates that are ‘social media’, so not your general/regular person as such and more on a career boost or whatever in BB…and then along comes George and isn’t he refreshing …but as Yazzfetto says, what if he’s not at all and just playing into a character…

…anyway, that will give many talking points I’m sure…

Youtube video

…I don’t know with the warning, was it deserved…?…well, BB can’t just ignore either because of the outcries over that…screams if they do/screams if they do don’t type thing…but these things aren’t always one size fits all and therefore one warning fits all, either…and I think that for this, the best way was to talk about it themselves, which they did and already had …so maybe to have asked them both to come in together to refer to it with also adding that resolving together as they had was the better way but that BB had obviously noted it all…anyway, probably not explaining well but BB shouldn’t remain static in things like warnings and that one size fits all forevermore thing…/…it should all fit to whatever it refers to at the time…

[Beso]

No different to Caroline mocking Cameron b's voice and the way he walks.

So no, it wasn't deserved.

[Nicky91]

Yes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Beso

No different to Caroline mocking Cameron b's voice and the way he walks.

So no, it wasn't deserved.

yeah that as well.... waiting for her to be called in next lol

[Jessica.]

If he used words instead of the impersonation it would have been absolutely fine, it's the fact that he mocked his voice and the way he carries himself that is out of order.

[Benjamin]

Just catching up now.

I don’t believe George meant to do it with malicious intent, but he also didn’t need to do the actions/sound as that would have got me too.

[Ammi]

…George is a bit of an enigma I have to say…his views in general seem a bit insulated and flat and one dimensional etc…and yet, being part of some very large filming productions he must have been in groups of some very varied people…which is why I’m beginning to think that he’s playing into a role/a character that he feels will get airtime…which is happening…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't see the difference between Gani mimicking Jennys accent and what George did? but treated completely differently, also as has been said given Sam and George sorted it out surely a warning should have been issued only if it happened again?

Gani did it in the DR. George did it in front of everyone.

Not saying I agree with either, but Jenny still has no idea Gani did that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Gani did it in the DR. George did it in front of everyone.

I think that it does make George the bigger douchebag out of the two personally.

But I waited for someone else to say it, as I don't want to look like I'm just pulling George up all of the time.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Gani did it in the DR. George did it in front of everyone.

When BB gave out the warning he said 'do you see how that could be offensive to your fellow HMs and viewers'


Frankly I thought it was funny but I would imagine if Jenny went in there doing an Indian accent the outcome might be different?

George was asked to name one bad thing everyone had something bad said about them not just Sam

[Beso]

I wonder if the question had been, what's your favourite thing about a housemate, would he have still received a warning?

I think it was just because he was connecting it with a negative trait.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think does make George the bigger douchebag out of the two personally.

But I waited for someone else to say it, as I don't want to look like I'm just pulling George up all of the time.

He was put on the spot to say something about each HM which he did and only one took offence

[Ammi]

…also, Sam was initially very upset and tearful about the mocking, having gone through similar experiences in his life so BB really had to address that also…/duty of care etc…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When BB gave out the warning he said 'do you see how that could be offensive to your fellow HMs and viewers'


Frankly I thought it was funny but I would imagine if Jenny went in there doing an Indian accent the outcome might be different?

George was asked to name one bad thing everyone had something bad said about them not just Sam

Not saying I agree with either, but Jenny still has no idea Gani did that. And it clearly upset Sam. But again, I don’t believe George did it maliciously, and a warning wasn’t needed as they discussed it with each other. Had he said it in a malicious way then a warning would have been warranted.