[Lauren]

Depends which drugs.
I can think of a (small majority) of drugs that are only harmful with long term constant use, whereas there are drugs which can be harmful with even the smallest dose.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama

Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.

[Stu]

Originally posted by jackie46
Drugs are bad end of.

Kudo's on an intelectually stimulating argument comprised of scraps of whatever the government is giving you.

Have you ever drank coke [the soft drink] or had a cup of coffee?!

[Jackie]

Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.

[Lauren]

Then where do we draw the line on drugs?
If Caffeine is a drug then why are people not judged on that?

[Stu]

Originally posted by jackie46
Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.

And you would consider even caffine to be bad? Yes it has some minor side effects but I would not consider it to be a hugely risk-ridden drug. If thats your view [albeit an insanely lenient one] fair enough.

You cant claim to make such a bold statement that says ''all drugs are bad'' however. Is it not true to say that too much of ANYTHING is bad? Im guessing your concept of drugs is limited but I could be wrong.

Safe food is safe , but eat too much of it , and you will become overweight - and in turn , being overweight poses many bodily threats - like those horrible drugs.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Lauren
Then where do we draw the line on drugs?
If Caffeine is a drug then why are people not judged on that?

Because its a relativly safe drug that induces only minor psychosis that 96% of coffee drinkers are now all tolerant to.

The point I was trying to make was that its a drug.

[Jackie]

I dont know but you dont hear people dying through caffeine related illnesses to we?

[little-devil-rocks]

you can die from caffeine

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Stu

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.

I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......

[Stu]

Originally posted by little-devil-rocks
you can die from caffeine

You can die from age .

I hate to paint such a grim portrait - but we are all going to die.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama

I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......

Im giving my opinion , and my opinion , and of my experiences of extensive use of the phychoactive - it is safe if practiced safely - just like cars are safe if drove safely - but they can be crashed you know .

As for the you putting words in my mouth...

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman.

[little-devil-rocks]

stu is right. we are all going to die sometime.

[Stu]

Originally posted by little-devil-rocks
stu is right. we are all going to die sometime.

And if i ever come to be wrong on that , I want to be informed.

And to return favour - as soon as the effects as Cannabis on the majority of its users extend beyond making them feel happy and mellow - I shall let you know. The statistics speak for themselves. Any crime that can come from Cannabis will , in all likelyhood , come from the fact that it is illegal.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by bananarama

Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Obviously, it's not safe to drive under the influence of cannabis, any more than it's safe to drive under the influence of alcohol. You could argue that it's not safe to drive when you have had a load of caffiene drinks either. In that context, then cannabis is not perfectly safe.

Regarding the example you gave of the 12 year old child attacking a 72 year old woman - yes, that's a disgraceful way to behave. I'd bet a whole load of money that the child was not under influence of cannabis though - but some other drug. Cannabis would be highly unlikely to turn someone violent like that.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by jackie46
Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.

Tea has caffeine in as well.

Of course all drugs aren't bad. Drugs save lives as well as ruining them. Doctors prescribe drugs every day - sometimes possibly un-necessarily, but often they are literally life-savers.

[Wiglet]

Let's note that the stastics given are from 1991 (Great subject again InTheFade), and we can only imagine that society has moved on a and personally I do not have a clue what accurate percentages would now be attributed nationally to drugs, alcohol or another? For instance according to an article I found drug deaths in Scotland alone from Cocaine in 2005 numbered 44 but overall drug related deaths were less than the previous year. (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Rele...06/08/31142714)

Both of my parents lost their lives because of either smoking (my father died of lung cancer when he was 57) and a combo of smoking, excessive alcohol and over the counter non prescription medications which caused a huge gastric bleed, massive heart attack and death of my mother at 56. We do not need to be talking about cocaine or heroin to be talking about someone who was addicted to drugs.

Where do we draw the line as Lauren says? After my experience maybe it should be at paracetamol because that is one of the worst drugs and can kill very easily. The problem is that people have to at some point take responsibility for their own actions don't they? The government cannot wrap us all in cottonwool because if it was to do that we would all rebel and take as many drugs/drinks/smokes as were available.

[Stu]

Can the government do more to reduce the risk of drug addiction however? Look beyond drugs alone. I think they can. Its because of social problems many people get addicted to the 'bad' drugs nowdays in the first place.

As for drawing the line , here is my own opinion :

LSD , Cannabis , Salvia , Cigarettes , Alcohol , Mushrooms etc.

______________________________________[My line ]

Opiates , Amphetamines , Inhalants , disassociates [E.g. Ketamine] , Cocaine/Crack/Freebase , DXM/painkiller pills and so on...

[Jackie]

yes i agree we do need to take responsibility of our own actions.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Stu
Can the government do more to reduce the risk of drug addiction however? Look beyond drugs alone. I think they can. Its because of social problems many people get addicted to the 'bad' drugs nowdays in the first place.

As for drawing the line , here is my own opinion :

LSD , Cannabis , Salvia , Cigarettes , Alcohol , Mushrooms etc.

______________________________________[My line ]

Opiates , Amphetamines , Inhalants , disassociates [E.g. Ketamine] , Cocaine/Crack/Freebase , DXM/painkiller pills and so on...

You have the same line as me, apart from hybrid LSD's (mixes that cause prolonged psychotic episodes, they go under my line).

[Jackie]

social problems are the cause of most drugs nowadays people drink people smoke people take drugs sometimes to forget their problems and some people go to far before they know it theyre addicted.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Stu

Im giving my opinion , and my opinion , and of my experiences of extensive use of the phychoactive - it is safe if practiced safely - just like cars are safe if drove safely - but they can be crashed you know .

As for the you putting words in my mouth...

Your suggestion drugs are safe therefore your mouth not mine. That incident is real your claim drugs are safe for society are not. If they were such incidents would not happen.......

[Jackie]

My mum was prescribed prozec for her depression it made her worst she didnt know night from day it made her have a nervous breakdown being sectioned in a mental hospital where further drugs were pumped into her to make her better i tell you it wasnt a pretty site seeing her in a straight jacket.This was going back 25 years, now the drug prozec is banned.

[Chilltown]

I think certain drugs such as Heroine or Cocaine should be kept illegal but drugs that are much less harmful on frontier of maybe Alcohol or Cigarettes such as Marijuana, Shrooms, etc should be legalized. It's dumb that the government doesn't want us experimenting with life changing experience recreational drugs such as Shrooms that can put us on a psychedelic trip and remove the ego entirely. Whereas I agree with outlawing Heroine which is probably one of the most addictive drugs ever and many users become hostile if they do not get their fair share of it.

And Note: The only thing above I do mentioned above is drink alcohol. No Favoritism.

[Sunny_01]

I think what we need to remember here is that any mind altering substance can have consequences. For me I worry that my daughter will try drugs like cannabis and end up in a vulnerable situation that she is unable to get out of.

Also I have a friend who is recieving intensive psychiatric support after years of cannabis use, he is now paranoid, obsessive, and has psychotic episodes. There is more and more research that suggests there is a link. Have a flick down this page http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt...talhealth.aspx and see what is being said further down under the mental health section.

I think we can make excuse after excuse for drugs and taking them but it all comes down to personal choice. I doubt there is a drug out there that I have not dabbled in when I was younger BUT I chose not to continue to do so. People will do what they feel is right and what they feel should not be dictated to them.