[KKBL]

Originally posted by Tom

She sung Valerie, that was about it. The name sold on the single is Mark Ronson ft Amy Winehouse- therefore she featured on it. He did everything else except write it, and it was stolen from The Zutons. She didn't even turn up to the video! So that doesn't count as her number 2, just one she happened to be a part of.

I'm not denying her success with her albums, but she has had practically no success in the singles chart, which is what a lot of people judge success on, especially as her singles have ranked at 2 (featuring), 7, 16, 18, 25, 46, 57, 60, 65 and 71. When Dannii Minogue has had more success than you in the singles chart then you need to start worrying! But as I say I'm not denying her album success or her awards.

thats soooo not true.the reason her label released singles is because they want people to buy the album instead of the single.obviously it worked.

her album sold 10 million copies....shes got nothing to worry about(career wise)

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Arneldo
She is incredibly talented. She has such a beautiful singing voice. she just needs to get her act together.

I'm still hoping she will preform at Oxegen music festival over here next week. But, I doubt it.

She did say she was going to fulfill all her obligations over the next few weeks.

[Tom]

Originally posted by _Audrey
^ Yeah Tom - it includes LEGAL downloads. Again, how many people do that? I'm sure the majority of people downloading music do it off of Limewire or BitTorrent rather than paying for it in iTunes.

More than you realise. There are a thousands upon thousands of people who pay for their music on iTunes.

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I am quite aware of downloads. I download music myself, and since the charts have been changed to incorporate dowloads, they can make up a significant amount of a singles sales. Some songs have gone to number one on downloads alone. I am not disputing that. Both singles and albums can be downloaded quite readily.

What I was pointing out, is that physical copies of single sales have steadily declined. Record companies focus on album sales. A single is normally a track released off the album. No great expense there. The budget goes into making the album, and that is how they market it to generate revenue. Singles are just a bit of promotion for the album if you like.

With the vast quantites they have shifted of "Back to Black" - the album, who would need to buy the singles? Rehab went Top 10 as it was the first track to be released from the album. I downloaded "Rehab", but I then purchased a copy of the CD, and therefore never needed any of the other singles. Virtually nearly every household must have a copy by now.

And I am sorry, but you cannot compare a song where all the vocals are performed by her to another song where she only does backing vocals.

I do not understand what you mean by this? When did this enter the conversation?

I'm more than aware of how the music industry works and that they mainly want albums to be sold but they do want a lot of singles (both physical and computer based) sold as well. They simply wouldn't put them out if it wasn't going to create enough revenue. I'm just simply showing that although she has had a lot of success, she isn't as successful as many think she is because she doesn't do too well in the singles charts. Theoretically the album should be able to shift truckloads whilst the singles do the same. It happens with almost every other artist, yet it hasn't happened with her. It might be something to do with her core audience and their age? Who knows.

The reason I brought the reworking of the song into it was to show that although she did do all the vocals (which I'm not disputing one bit) she still only featured on the track. Mark reworked it so its obvious her voice was probably digitally enhanced too. Without Mark that song would have been nothing. The fact most people don't even know she has her own version of the song speaks for itself really.

Originally posted by KKBL

thats soooo not true.the reason her label released singles is because they want people to buy the album instead of the single.obviously it worked.

her album sold 10 million copies....shes got nothing to worry about(career wise)

If that was the case then they simply wouldn't release the single. The promotions argument for that is valid but there are other ways in which singles can be promoted without them actually being released. If her label just wanted her albums shifting then the songs wouldn't be released, but they would be released to radio stations and music channels for promotion. That would mean that if you wanted the single you'd have to buy the album. All singles (it doesn't matter which artist) are released with the sole intention of generating as much money as possible, not to promote another [similar] product, although that is a bonus. You have no idea about business if you think otherwise.

[Shaun]

She's only talented when sober and recording in a studio. In that respect she's as bad as Britney Spears really.

I'm a huge fan of her music but I actually hate her as a person now. She's got tons of talent and potential at her feet and instead she chooses to piss it all up on drugs and booze. She's a disgrace.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom

I'm more than aware of how the music industry works and that they mainly want albums to be sold but they do want a lot of singles (both physical and computer based) sold as well. They simply wouldn't put them out if it wasn't going to create enough revenue. I'm just simply showing that although she has had a lot of success, she isn't as successful as many think she is because she doesn't do too well in the singles charts. Theoretically the album should be able to shift truckloads whilst the singles do the same. It happens with almost every other artist, yet it hasn't happened with her. It might be something to do with her core audience and their age? Who knows.

Single sales have dramatically declined in recent years as I previously mentioned. For a single, artists shift nowhere near the amount as they would for an album, and as I said, all they have to do is press up the single and shoot a video. A single is mainly used as a promotional tool. Gone is the day when an artist released four or 5 singles and then an album would come out with them on it. An album is now normally released at the same time of the first single. Therefore single sales will be down, as I mentioned.

The reason I brought the reworking of the song into it was to show that although she did do all the vocals (which I'm not disputing one bit) she still only featured on the track. Mark reworked it so its obvious her voice was probably digitally enhanced too. Without Mark that song would have been nothing. The fact most people don't even know she has her own version of the song speaks for itself really.

I would say the complete opposite. When people I know refer to that track they refer to it as an Amy Winehouse song, and not a Mark Ronson song at all. That speaks volumes to me. They would refer to B-Boy baby as "that Mutya song with Amy Winehouse". I would also say most musicians voices are digitally enhanced these days to some degree.

[Tom]

Do you believe that if Amy released her version of Valerie it would have had the impact it did?

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

She did say she was going to fulfill all her obligations over the next few weeks.

Well that's good. I'll look forward to seeing her. I know she isn't great live, but just so I can say "I saw Amy Winehouse live"

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom
Do you believe that if Amy released her version of Valerie it would have had the impact it did?

It all depends on what her version was like so nobody could comment on that.

[Mrluvaluva]

Ooooh. Just noticed I have got only 88 posts left to make until I reach 10,000. Crikey!

[Fom]

There was a time when i wished luck to Amy and hoped she got better, but the fact she has had lung problems and then leaves the hospital and goes and smokes. I dont have respect for that.
She is bringing everything on herself and if she was big enough to stop the stupidity and get better I would have respect and would willingly forget everything but she isnt trying so in all fairness she gets whats coming.

[KKBL]

right before Amy performed Me & Mr,Jones at Oxegen today she sais this to the crows "this ones for blaikey yeah,hes out in 9 days"

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

She did say she was going to fulfill all her obligations over the next few weeks.

But she is shortchanging her fans. Her performances lately have been terrible. It would be better if she cancelled them altogether, or at least postponed them until another time.

Amy Winehouse has a great voice, and a real talent. But other than that, I really couldn't care less about her. She has had opportunity after opportunity given to her, and she throws it away each time. I don't like her dad either - he's a bit too fond of talking to the press all the time. I don't think his doing that is doing his daughter any favours.

And I really don't understand why she was picked to sing the finale song at the Nelson Mandela 90th birthday party - particularly after the racist video debacle.

[amydropdead_x]

She's really talented, and the drug-use doesn't make her a bad person, she just gets very bad press. When she actually does do a good performance, the press do not even cover it, only the bad ones :|
I personally really like her

[SiaSiaSia]

They say she's a role model, yet the lyrics of her songs aren't even that amazing, and her drug taking, binge drinking and weight problems aren't exactly sending the best message to younger people.

She's alright and I really liked her in her "frank" days, I think it's really sad what she has become now.