[Tom]

Originally posted by Markymark

Even if he did exist I don't see what that proves. It's humans that have invented the fact that he was the son of God. It's more than likely he was some Mother Theresa type person than someone who could perform actual miracles.

We've all done Chinese whispers in a classroom with 25 other people. Now imagine 2000 years worth of Chinese whispers and you get the Bible. Explain how there are fossils of simple life-forms that are hundreds of millions of years old.

I'm not denying that, as I said I'm on the fence but I am a bit religious so I'm split between the two options. I do think the creation story is a load of rubbish though.

Originally posted by horcrux92
I think Jesus did exist, and maybe somebody saw him do something which seemed like a miracle, but in reality was just misunderstood or not understood fully by the person who witnessed it happen. But in my opinion, there's no God. The fact that the Big bang created the universe completely contradicts that God created the Earth. So I don't believe in God.

Jesus did exist, its been proven. A lot of philosophers who are religious also believe the Big Bang theory but think that God played a role in making sure everything was set up right. You can't make something from nothing, so how did the Big Bang occur in the first place to create the universe? However using quantum physics is completely possible that something can come from nothing but in extremely rare circumstances, and even then its something of a very small scale such as three particles. So something pretty spectacular must have happened to create the entire universe, its either a really big coincidence where everything just happened to be right with a very very very tiny probability of it happening, or there is something there.

But I agree with bbE. I think we need to change our concept of God. I don't think of God as some massive man who sits in the sky looking down on everything and everyone, I just think its something thats there. Not a person or anything like that, just something.

[Spike]

There is no God and the religion is lies
Until anyone can prove that summary is wrong, it will remain right for me

[Emzy-!!]

some people say that God is a spirit. Maybe if you believe in God then his spirit will be with you always and others will have to find the spirit.

There are many ways to think of God, and this argument could go on and on, because everyone has different opinions and beliefs.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by Tom
Jesus did exist, its been proven. A lot of philosophers who are religious also believe the Big Bang theory but think that God played a role in making sure everything was set up right. You can't make something from nothing, so how did the Big Bang occur in the first place to create the universe? However using quantum physics is completely possible that something can come from nothing but in extremely rare circumstances, and even then its something of a very small scale such as three particles. So something pretty spectacular must have happened to create the entire universe, its either a really big coincidence where everything just happened to be right with a very very very tiny probability of it happening, or there is something there.

Time is infinite so probability doesn't come it to question because in was inevitable it would happen eventually. It's not like one second there was nothing then the universe as we know it was formed. The Earth wouldn't have been there, it formed at a later date. The Big Bang was just the trigger, the universe is continuing to evolve as we speak.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Markymark

Time is infinite so probability doesn't come it to question because in was inevitable it would happen eventually. It's not like one second there was nothing then the universe as we know it was formed. The Earth wouldn't have been there, it formed at a later date. The Big Bang was just the trigger, the universe is continuing to evolve as we speak.

How did the universe begin in the first place? If the universe is getting bigger than going in the opposite direction at some point there must have been nothing at all. And if the universe is getting bigger then its not infinite. Also if time is infinite, then there is no time because nothing can be added on to infinity.

[Markymark]

We assume the Earth is infitely big because we don't have the ability to prove otherwise. What scientists have been able to see is called the known universe. There were particles before the universe was created, when these became dense enough the Big bang happened. Little is known of the early universe, maybe the large hadron collider will tell us. All we know is that what's in the universe is still expanding, whether the universe has some sort of "edge" is something I can't get my head around.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
There is no God and the religion is lies
Until anyone can prove that summary is wrong, it will remain right for me

yeh but can you prove your statement. It works both ways

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think religion was supposed to be a way of guiding people people to live in harmony and in a way that benefits the survival of the humn race. It got lost on the way and what was right 2000 years ago needs updating now

[Kate..]

I don't beleive in god. Though at times I wish I did.

I was discussing this with two of my friends yesterday, and they both believe in god and they didn't understand what i meant when i said i wish i did.

I wish there was a heaven, or I wish i believed that something happened after death. Unfortunately all I believe is that when you die, there's nothing, you're just dead and it's such a scary thought and I always start shivering if I think about it too much.

I respect people that do believe in god though, as I would want them to respect me for not believing.

[Spike]

Originally posted by bbE

yeh but can you prove your statement. It works both ways

People have stated religion is true so its upto them to prove that it is real
I don't need to prove my point, because people not being able to prove religion is true proves my point for me

[Fom]

Religion is so patchy, its becoming more patchy than science! The more science is discovering the more religion is having to re think its idea. Hopefully it wont be to long until God is proven wrong and people snap out of it. There will be that few though that wont accept science even if god was proven wrong, its a false sense of hope, god makes people feel safe and secure and it prevents them from opening up to the real world.

People think if there isnt an explanation to everything from science it resolves to their being a god! Just because we cant prove it doesnt mean there is a god, there is loads of things we couldnt prove ages ago that we can now. Things just take time.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Tom

How did the universe begin in the first place? If the universe is getting bigger than going in the opposite direction at some point there must have been nothing at all. And if the universe is getting bigger then its not infinite. Also if time is infinite, then there is no time because nothing can be added on to infinity.

There is a huge chance that there was never a beginning... maybe its just always been here. The human mind naturally cant process that because as far as we know on the earth... everything has a beginning, but what if it doesnt? We can aim the same question at god, where did god come from? What made god?
If we ever knew the reasons behind the universe I dont even think our brains could process it, its extremely confusing. As far as I know scientists believe that the universe once got sucked into an extremely small point such as the size of a grain of sand... everything was under extreme pressure and when it got too much there was a big bang and the universe and all its particles shot out in random directions things collided and crashed and caused sun's, planets and other things to form. Its all patchy yes, but its very difficult to explain something so big and so powerful.

I think saying there is a god is the easy way out, its saying "He did everything lets stop looking" 2000 years ago it would of made sense to believe in a god, because humans knew nothing. Now we do know loads of things, the idea of god to a lot of people just sounds stupid. Just like me.
A great quote from a good friend of mine.

"Religion is just a load of people fighting over who has the best imaginary friend."

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike

People have stated religion is true so its upto them to prove that it is real
I don't need to prove my point, because people not being able to prove religion is true proves my point for me

Your point was:- There is no god and religion is lies you cant categorically say that. Thats just what you believe

[Markymark]

Originally posted by Fom

There is a huge chance that there was never a beginning... maybe its just always been here. The human mind naturally cant process that because as far as we know on the earth... everything has a beginning, but what if it doesnt? We can aim the same question at god, where did god come from? What made god?
If we ever knew the reasons behind the universe I dont even think our brains could process it, its extremely confusing. As far as I know scientists believe that the universe once got sucked into an extremely small point such as the size of a grain of sand... everything was under extreme pressure and when it got too much there was a big bang and the universe and all its particles shot out in random directions things collided and crashed and caused sun's, planets and other things to form. Its all patchy yes, but its very difficult to explain something so big and so powerful.

I think saying there is a god is the easy way out, its saying "He did everything lets stop looking" 2000 years ago it would of made sense to believe in a god, because humans knew nothing. Now we do know loads of things, the idea of god to a lot of people just sounds stupid. Just like me.
A great quote from a good friend of mine.

"Religion is just a load of people fighting over who has the best imaginary friend."

We don't believe the world is flat any more so why do some people still believe in God? It's already been proven that it's impossible for God to exist. I can't see it ever changing, you either believe in science or you don't, nothing you can say to some people will stop them believing in God.

[Spike]

Originally posted by bbE

Your point was:- There is no god and religion is lies you cant categorically say that. Thats just what you believe

Prove that it isn't...
See you can't. I love how all the religious freaks have to keep saying probe it prove it when someone states that there is no God and religion is all lies.

[Fom]

There is more proof that religion doesnt exist than that it does.
To me the bible is a fictional book... its like reading harry potter and obeying Dumbledore. You never know in 2000 years they might.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Spike

Prove that it isn't...
See you can't. I love how all the religious freaks have to keep saying probe it prove it when someone states that there is no God and religion is all lies.

The fact is there is no proof to say God does exist, and there is no proof to say God doesn't exist. You cannot pass your opinions off as facts.

Originally posted by Fom
There is more proof that religion doesnt exist than that it does.
To me the bible is a fictional book... its like reading harry potter and obeying Dumbledore. You never know in 2000 years they might.

Thats all dependent on the angle you take though. I wouldn't call it proof though, just evidence and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for each side.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Tom


The fact is there is no proof to say God does exist, and there is no proof to say God doesn't exist. You cannot pass your opinions off as facts.

There can't be proof that something doesn't exist, only proof that something does exist
There is no proof that God exists so he doesn't. Fact

[Hugo]

I think God is just made up to try and make people abide by laws, as threat, 'You'll go to hell if you do this' ect. It's away of detering people from a bad life.

But I'm supposed to be Catholic lol. And want a Catholic funeral lol

I don't think we people, who are so UNBELIVEABLEY insignificant in such a HUGE universe, should think that we have all of the answers.

[dupin]

I strictly believe that their is no God, the whole concept is ridiculous to me and the fact that millions of people spend their lives falling for it makes me sad. There's just no evidence to suggest that he exists, if anything, I believe God is a metaphor.

What irritates me more is Christians who say they think the Big Bang happened (because it's been more or less prove), but that God made the Big Bang. The Bible doesn't say anything that could be linked with the theory, and it's just Christians changing their story to fit what science has discovered in recent years - everytime science discovers something new, Christians will modify their beliefs and not even take into account what The Bibe - the basis for all of their beliefs in the first place - has to say.

Not to mention that The Bible says that God made 'man in his own image' - meaning that humans look like God. However, if the Big Bang theory is now to be accepted by Christianity, it goes hand in had with evolution, and evolution dictates that when Earth was first created, we didn't even exist for a ridiculously long time, and when we started as life, we were practically nothing - not God's form, and again, not what the original Christian theory declares.

There's so much more as well...and yet some still believe it. I can't understand it at all, personally.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Spike

There can't be proof that something doesn't exist, only proof that something does exist
There is no proof that God exists so he doesn't. Fact

Thats a ridiculous conclusion. Just because there is no proof for something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do things only come into existence when they've been discovered?

And there can be proof for things not existing for example Unicorns don't exist, and there is proof to say they don't exist.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Tom

Thats a ridiculous conclusion. Just because there is no proof for something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do things only come into existence when they've been discovered?

And there can be proof for things not existing for example Unicorns don't exist, and there is proof to say they don't exist.

If you can't prove something exists then it doesn't.
Anyone on here give me enough hard proof now that God does exist and religion is true.

[hanny08]

Originally posted by Fom
Religion is so patchy, its becoming more patchy than science! The more science is discovering the more religion is having to re think its idea. Hopefully it wont be to long until God is proven wrong and people snap out of it. There will be that few though that wont accept science even if god was proven wrong, its a false sense of hope, god makes people feel safe and secure and it prevents them from opening up to the real world.

People think if there isnt an explanation to everything from science it resolves to their being a god! Just because we cant prove it doesnt mean there is a god, there is loads of things we couldnt prove ages ago that we can now. Things just take time.

I understand that you obviously 100% do not believe in God and thats fine. But alot of people receive great comfort in believing that there is one and to state that people should 'snap out of it' is appaling. What is so wrong in someone having faith, even if it is in something that can't be proven. I'm not talking about religous nut jobs that try to force their faith on other people, but the millions of people who have a quiet faith in their hearts and like I said have comfort in it. I do belive in God, I was raised to, but that being said I don't just believe because I was told to. When I was in teens I questioned the whole thing and then came to my own conclusions. I do not judge anyone for not believing, it's their own choice to make, much as mine was, and therefore shouldn't be judged for my choice.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Spike

If you can't prove something exists then it doesn't.
Anyone on here give me enough hard proof now that God does exist and religion is true.

I'm not saying God exists, I'm just saying you can't have the mentality "there is no proof showing God exists therefore he doesn't". Because you can't prove something doesn't mean its not there. Did diseases not exist until they were proven? By your logic they don't ...

[Fom]

Originally posted by hanny08

I understand that you obviously 100% do not believe in God and thats fine. But alot of people receive great comfort in believing that there is one and to state that people should 'snap out of it' is appaling. What is so wrong in someone having faith, even if it is in something that can't be proven. I'm not talking about religous nut jobs that try to force their faith on other people, but the millions of people who have a quiet faith in their hearts and like I said have comfort in it. I do belive in God, I was raised to, but that being said I don't just believe because I was told to. When I was in teens I questioned the whole thing and then came to my own conclusions. I do not judge anyone for not believing, it's their own choice to make, much as mine was, and therefore shouldn't be judged for my choice.

Correct I dont believe in it 100% but I am not fully against it, its people's choice at the end of the day, even if I dont agree. But they should respect the fact I am an atheist and stop thrusting their religion upon me, when Im walking through Manchester and I get this crazy guy throwing leaflets on me shouting "Preach the lord" in my ear it only hightens my hate towards religion. If religion was quiet... and wasnt spoke about much and people did their prayers in private I would be happier... but when people start doing lots of religious stuff in front of me it naturally just irritates me. Which is just my way of thinking.
I dont hate people who do religion, but the idea of religion annoys me... I dont know why, it just really hits a nerve with me. And clearly there are other Atheists who feel the same way, lets just say we have the same feeling towards non religion that you do towards religion.

You want comfort in life so you believe in god, I want complete freedom and to live my own life with my own mistakes, my own morals, my own thoughs and not having a religion pulling me down therefore being an atheist.